Session Start: Tue Sep 11 19:48:54 2001
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[19:48] *** Set by Melodyy on Tue Sep 11 13:47:13
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[19:48] <Keen> m ca no we dont. we have free speech here. nice try, numbnuts
[19:48] <Zeno> Hi
[19:48] <DanielBSC> Did we learn nothing from our WW2 mistake of placing American citizens of Japanese-heritage in "camps". Just because someone is from the middle east and the persian regions does not automatically make them a terrorist. This nation is founded on principals of justice. How is justice served by testing nuclear weapons on the followers of the Taliban regime as I saw quoted here. This wasn't just an attack on the US, it was an attack on humanity.
[19:49] <Brianna> hi Zeno
[19:49] <Socrtease> Carl, always. we may even getted heated at tims but debate and dissagreement is what makes this country better than all others
[19:49] <asa250> hey Zebo
[19:49] <Havoc> ^5 Spammi
[19:49] <Thang> Spammi: what are they searching for?
[19:49] <Jed> RANTAGONE - I hope for your sake you don't live anywhere near Kabul!
[19:49] <T-DES> Zeno, hey there!
[19:49] <Thang> hi Zeno!
[19:49] <Zeno> hi Brianna
[19:49] <JGM36> Hi Zeno
[19:49] <DanielBSC> It was meant to bring fear and to demoralize.
[19:49] <Zeno> hi Thang, T-DES
[19:49] <Sonia> M_ca, good point
[19:49] <float> Beowolfs...it is very important we treat the countries that help terrorists the same as the terrorists themselves
[19:49] <Havoc> Jed: Why?
[19:49] <Glenlivet> bohunky ... not all Americans are gun hugging radical right wing "patriots" ... whose motto is kill 'em all and let God sort it out.
[19:49] <bohunky> cosmo: must be a record
[19:49] <float> Hi Zeno
[19:49] <Zeno> hi JGM36
[19:49] <Zeno> hey float
[19:49] <neezel> Jed, it would be tooo easy
[19:49] <JimL> float, if Bush peed his pants, you'd say that you supported that too.
[19:49] <asa250> is there still a Kabul?
[19:49] <Spammi> Thang, not sure. Apparently some people there have ties to people they are looking at....I guess as suspects
[19:49] <jan> Daniel: yes. keep talking. people need to to learn this.
[19:49] <Beowolfs> float, I have reason to believe that I know who was behind this attack. I have reason to know who contribvted what.
[19:49] * Zeno wades in to the discussion
[19:49] <Brianna> lol JimL
[19:49] <LaDiva> Zeno, welcome
[19:49] <Zeno> PlagueRat howdy
[19:49] <Keystone^> Daniel, Bush won't do what FDR did and put Arab Americans in Consentration camps.
[19:49] <Beowolfs> float, I agree
[19:49] * CarlSwanson passes the hat to start a collection for so we can buy RANTAGONE a nice condo right near the Presidential Palace in Kabul...
[19:49] <JimL> hi Zeno :)
[19:49] <Jed> Havoc - We need a debater....
[19:49] <Zeno> thanks LaDiva
[19:49] <bohunky> cosmo: if that's true, rare as it would be, then no palestinians will be killed becuz of it
[19:49] * Socrtease is a gun hugging radical left wingger
[19:49] <Thang> Spammi: I see!
[19:49] <Zeno> good to see you JimL
[19:49] <Havoc> Jed: Ah. ;)
[19:49] * Glenlivet tosses Zeno back into the gallery
[19:49] <float> JimL....you're just out of touch dude...you should have been closer to the explosion.
[19:49] <LaDiva> 4 Do not discuss chatters who are not present.
[19:49] <neezel> Zeno, I hope you can wade deep!!!!
[19:50] <Spammi> Zeno...was everyone ok with your company?
[19:50] <bohunky> Jed: a Master one?
[19:50] <ron_s> hey Zeno
[19:50] <Pixelau> I have a Post Office box.
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[19:50] <Spammi> Thang, they were vague.
[19:50] <M_Ca> van with explasives just stopped!
[19:50] <MountainMonk> Bot, unfortunately I do. We are a tabloid nation. americans don't give a damn if Israel were to annihilate every Palestinbian on earth. You dehumanize your victim, you call him a savage and a terrrfoist, you control very large sectors of the worlds medfia, you can get away with genocide with a smile, and noone gives a damn. Yes, I knopw America too damn well.
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[19:50] <Keen> keystone can you avoid talking politics for one day or are you incapable of doing that?
[19:50] <Spammi> Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, LaDiva!
[19:50] <DanielBSC> I know that Keystone... I'm just surprised by those who want to just randomly kill to "solve" terrorism.
[19:50] <Zeno> Spammim. it appears they were ok afterall, They misssd a cab and were late
[19:50] <M_Ca> on the George Washington bridge
[19:50] <cosmo> he's not present now. lol
[19:50] <Brianna> M_Ca, where???
[19:50] <MountainMonk> sorry Bot, lol
[19:50] <Brianna> k
[19:50] <JGM36> THANK YOU LADIVA
[19:50] <Spammi> Zeno, thank goodness
[19:50] <JGM36> Bless You
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[19:50] <neezel> laDiva clap, clap, clap
[19:50] <CarlSwanson> keen, actually, on that score, it;s about 10 to 1 from your side on this...
[19:50] <Zeno> hi ron_s. I know you are in New York. good grief!
[19:50] <Pixelau> M-C> where'd you hear that?
[19:50] <JimL> float, you think reality is only what you see on your TV.
[19:50] <Thang> Spammi: seems very vauge, but I guess at this time, they would take any micro lead!
[19:51] <Zeno> Spammi. sometimes luck has a lot to do
[19:51] <bohunky> really pisses me off the lies about Israel attacking Palestinians. Read any Arab paper anyday of the week & see the hatred of Israeli people
[19:51] <Spammi> Thang, they aren't saying much.
[19:51] <ron_s> Zeno, I'm in PA now actually, but its still scary as hell
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[19:51] <cosmo> neezel, you are English, right? Living in Germany?
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[19:51] <bohunky> Israel doesn't attack palestinians
[19:51] <neezel> Cosmo Yah, why?
[19:51] <float> ron_s it's amazing we cut all flights immediately
[19:51] <MountainMonk> bohunky, I'm not one sided on this, but I will say this. the occupation is the root cause.
[19:51] <Spammi> bohunky, right. They defend themselves against Palestanians who attack them.
[19:51] <KenBz> The Jew haters (I didn't say Israel, because it's not restricted to Israel for many of this bunch) are out in force tonight. This must be a wonderful opportunity in their eyes
[19:51] <cosmo> neezel, just curious about your use of the english language.
[19:51] <M52CT> this is just a nightmare
[19:51] <Aero> FBI headed to George Washington Bridge ... van may have explosives
[19:51] <Keen> carl right now all i see is crap from keystone but im curious what you think "my side" is. surely you dont think i'm on the same "Side" as these jew hating left wing clowns?
[19:51] <LaDiva> 4 You can read CNN's Community participation guidelines at http://cnn.com/discussion/standards.html for clarification of chat room standards.
[19:52] <float> aero eh?
[19:52] <ron_s> float, I think it was right to do that.
[19:52] <float> Aero...when?
[19:52] <bohunky> MountainMonk: are u talking about occupation or attacking....or do u know?
[19:52] * Thang remembers that neezel is living in Frankfurt.....and there is no good junk food
[19:52] <jan> neezel: are you an American?
[19:52] <Aero> float right now
[19:52] <Spammi> Bill Richardson is saying it's the son of Bin Ladin....
[19:52] <Keen> ken its never just israel, its jews whereever they are
[19:52] <float> Aero..what network?
[19:52] <Sonia> Keen, free speach ha? you support it? didn't you just suggest that I find a chat room in palestine? and you claim you support free speech?
[19:52] <M_Ca> Israel is practicing religious apartheid, and commiting genocide in its greed for the land.....Sharon is a war criminal, on a par with milosevich......and belongs on trial in the Hague
[19:52] <MountainMonk> KenBz. I'm not that, I'm just someone who stands up and says what needs to be said./ You can't keep the iron fikst on a people forever, and expect no consequences.
[19:52] <Laura> Aero, source?
[19:52] <Aero> MS NBc
[19:52] <LaDiva> Folks, big news - this isn't about Israel tonight.
[19:52] <JimL> I think Bin Laden is paying back the Bush family for the Gulf War.
[19:52] <Keen> sonia yes. people like you who hate america can find your own chat rooms
[19:52] <Aero> MS NBC too
[19:52] <float> Aero..hmm.
[19:53] <Keen> ladiva it is to the jew haters
[19:53] <Spammi> M_Ca, if this is how Palestanians act, they are people to be feared. It would be the same in this country, if we had people who routinely attacked innocents.
[19:53] <Zeno> LaDiva. This is certainly bigger than OKC
[19:53] <Roger_A> LaDiva, to a couple, it's always about the Jews.. always..
[19:53] <float> thanks I'll check it out
[19:53] <Beowolfs> JimL, Bin Laden couldn't have pulled this off alone.
[19:53] <Aero> float see it?
[19:53] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, unfortunately, this crap is ALWAYS aboiut Israel.
[19:53] <Keystone^> FBI agents have been pulled from Gun Control investigations and are finally working to prevent more terrorism.
[19:53] <float> I"m gonna go look now..thanks Aero
[19:53] <bohunky> the "dirty American" has gotten very dirty today & He's gonna sweep some floors. its gonna be fair but it aint gonna be pretty
[19:53] <float> Night folks
[19:53] <cosmo> Aero, good use of the censor buster :)
[19:53] <jan> JimL: funny, but they weren't anywhere near those buildings today.
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[19:53] <Beowolfs> Aero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:53] <Pixelau> Night float
[19:53] <Laura> gonna go watch the tube, later folks :)
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[19:53] <LaDiva> Zeno, of course it is :(
[19:53] <CarlSwanson> JimL, who was he paying back for the Khobar Towers and the two embassy bombings?
[19:53] <Sonia> Keen, I am american. just because I do not agree with you that makes me something else? is this also part of your definition of free speech?
[19:53] <JimL> Sonia, would you say that about Christians on account of McVeigh?
[19:53] <Roger_A> Hi Zeno
[19:53] <Aero> Beowolfs hey
[19:53] <Roger_A> Beoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:53] <Zeno> LaDiva. I doubt they will turn the WTC site into a memorial
[19:53] <Zeno> Hi Roger_A
[19:53] <cosmo> rogooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:53] <Beowolfs> Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:53] <Cali_Gal> Was McVeigh a Christian?
[19:53] <Roger_A> Cosssssssssssssssmo
[19:53] <Sonia> M_ca, in a perfect world, Ariel Sharon would have been in the Hague two decades ago
[19:54] <snaily> What if it turns out white supremacists did this.. we'll have to discuss racism
[19:54] <Keen> sonia i think its time i stop wasting my time talking to a jew hater.
[19:54] <KenBz> Mountain - I didn't mean you personally. But now that you mention it, what "Iron fist" would that be? Palestinian Arabs are in a declared state of war with Israel, and Israel's response has been to give them land, fund their "police force" (paramilitary force in truth) and provide jobs for them that their Arab brothers would never give them.
[19:54] <ron_s> I think I'm gonna head to watch the tube for now too....later folks
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[19:54] <Beowolfs> snaily, forget it
[19:54] <Roger_A> cya ron
[19:54] * CarlSwanson wonders how this act is going to affect the Afghanistani refugees on that cargo ship? Anyone going to take them now?
[19:54] <Thang> good night ron_s!
[19:54] <Spammi> White supremists would target minorities.
[19:54] <Keen> kenbz never enough
[19:54] <snaily> How much resources does it take to get on a plane with a plastic knife anyway
[19:54] <M_Ca> Spammi......i repeat....THIS IS HOW MADMEN ACT, AND WHAT MADMEN DO. Nationalities did not do this to us, A Religion did not do this to us....a race did not do this to us.....MADMEN DID!
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[19:54] <KenBz> Sonia- In a perfect world you would have married Von Ribbentrop. Too bad for you, but you can't have everything
[19:54] <CarlSwanson> snaily, all it takes is pants... and a plastic knife
[19:54] <Keen> lol kenbz
[19:54] <Keystone^> McVeigh saw an injustice and took action. We may not like the action, but that is facts.
[19:54] <bohunky> MountainMonk: no this isn't about Israel directly & I apologize cuz I brought it up about Arafat. It was just a humorous side remark & I probly shouldn't have
[19:54] <LaDiva> M_Ca, that's right.
[19:54] <Spammi> M_Ca, and their followers celebrated in the streets.
[19:54] <Sonia> keen, ya, just when you lost the argument, how convinient.
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[19:55] <CarlSwanson> heart!
[19:55] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, Bin Ladens beef isn't identical to the Palestinians. His beef is American forces in his homeland, which he consdiers sacred ground. He has common cause with the Palestinians, but not for the same reasons.
[19:55] <T-DES> wb heart
[19:55] <heart> hi CarlSwanson
[19:55] <Keen> lol the jew hater just cant stand being ignored
[19:55] <Beowolfs> snaily, It's not the weapons. It's the timing, the selection of the planes and the execution. YOu are totally clueless
[19:55] <LaDiva> Oh puhleeeeezzzzz, McVeight took action over what injustice? Good lord.
[19:55] <LaDiva> McVeigh
[19:55] <Spammi> I have nothing against those who also find this reprehensible.
[19:55] <Keen> poor poor jew hater
[19:55] <JimL> Keystone, gosh...I can't believe you would defend McVeigh.
[19:55] <Pixelau> It seems like everything is in slow motion. Maybe becuse they just keep showing NYC burning ... burning .....
[19:55] <Roger_A> Keystone^, then you must support this action. Interesting.. and as usual, inane.
[19:55] * Aero wonders where the heros are even if they had knives
[19:55] <Keen> ladiva my reaction exactly
[19:55] <JGM36> Sonia, in a "perfect world", it wouldn't be necessary to declare a Jewish state because the rest of the world would accept Jews.
[19:55] <bohunky> But the righteous anger is welling up in patriotic good, charitable Americans today & the line has been drawn.
[19:55] <Keen> roger exactly
[19:55] <snaily> The news said Osama has 25,000 followrs
[19:55] <KenBz> It's amazing how far this bunch will go to contort a rationale for murderous terrorists
[19:55] * Zeno begs people NOT to jump to conclusions. Remember OKC and Atlanta
[19:55] <heart> looks like I came in just in time...
[19:55] <CarlSwanson> Aero, you see the jets around the Capital Building today? :(
[19:55] <jan> Mountain: color me ignorant, but Bin Ladin doesn't have a 'land'
[19:55] <LaDiva> Just when I think my stomach can't be turned further, we get the *SAINT TIMOTHY MCVEIGH* post.
[19:55] <Spammi> That was small potatoes considering this, Zeno.
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[19:55] <Beowolfs> Aero: Might I suggest that they showed up in the plane that crashed in Penn>
[19:55] <DanielBSC> bohunky... both the people of Israel and Palestine are simply humans. They are, just as the people in Ireland, hoplessly spiraling from centuries of feudal hatred. They no longer, nor likely ever will, view each other as brothers and sisters on this planet. There is no justification any longer for the killing that anyone does to another for the sake of land, posessions or religion. What happened today made me physically ill with grief for the massi
[19:55] <T-DES> Zeno...good point....
[19:55] <Sonia> being against the killings of 11 year old children makes me a jew hater? what a bigoted post you just did
[19:55] <MountainMonk> bohunky, we all hope for the peace of Jerusalem. I know I do at least.
[19:55] <Aero> CarlSwanson missed em
[19:56] <Spammi> LaDiva...argh....must be on my ignore list...glad I missed that one.
[19:56] <Havoc> The most happy American today -------- Gary Condit. Safe.
[19:56] <JGM36> snaily, something tells me he doesn't have a big enough bunker
[19:56] <Keen> kenbz and you wonder why i am always so happy to dissasociate myself from these left wing nuts
[19:56] <Blake> I think McVeigh was justified in being angry over Waco, but not justified in his bombing
[19:56] <Keystone^> Roger, Actually you can understand why people do what they do without supporting what they do. I understand why Bin Ladin would do this. I don't support it.
[19:56] <Zeno> Spammi. indeed. but we just don't know who did this yet.
[19:56] <T-DES> wb Melodyy
[19:56] <CarlSwanson> Havoc, uncool man... not today
[19:56] <Glenlivet> Spammi ... so your logic is it's okay to be really, really wrong ... why not find out the facts first?
[19:56] <T-DES> wb NCRICH
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[19:56] <Spammi> Havoc, he is certainly out of the headlines! :)
[19:56] <Melodyy> Hi, T-DES :)
[19:56] <CarlSwanson> Melodyy!
[19:56] <Keen> sonia what makes you a jew hater is your hatred of jews. i dont know or care what you think about anything else
[19:56] <JGM36> Hi Melodyy, NCRICH
[19:56] <Havoc> CarlSwanson: Yea...that was out of line.
[19:56] <Thang> hi Melodyy!
[19:56] <Melodyy> Hi, Carl
[19:56] <Roger_A> Keystone^, but you support McVeigh's actions?
[19:56] <Melodyy> Hello, JGM36
[19:56] <jan> Sonia: do you hate jews?
[19:56] <Melodyy> Thang!!!!!
[19:56] <KenBz> how did the 11 year old get killed? Because the child was targetted specifically, or tragically in the wrong place at the wrong time? Palestinian suicide bombers are targetted SPECIFICALLY to children and women. If you can't see the difference, then you're what you appear to be
[19:56] <MountainMonk> did someone say the 'C' word? :(
[19:56] <Keen> roger you just nailed him
[19:56] <M_Ca> Spammi.....well? wonder why we have so many enemies......our foreign policies are rather inhuman, don't you think? maybe that has something to do with it.......not that anything justifies the killing of innocents......but we support just such acts daily with our finances and policies....
[19:56] <cosmo> Havoc, not out of line, just tacky. ;)
[19:56] <CarlSwanson> Havoc, not as bad as most today,, this is just too sad to play with...
[19:56] <NCRICH> ty T-DES, Hi JG...
[19:57] <heart> T-DES ...who hates me....I am a nice guy....
[19:57] <Pixelau> I guess Paula Zahn just joined today.
[19:57] <CarlSwanson> Conservative?? who????????????
[19:57] <Keystone^> Roger, No, I understand McVeigh's actions,
[19:57] * Zeno notes that the US planned for all kinds of high tech terrorism, chemical, biological, pack bacl nukes. But knives and airplanes?
[19:57] <Havoc> cosmo Yup
[19:57] <bohunky> Daniel: I agree.....but war is hell & aggression is naturally resisted. Religion strongest of cultures has no doubt faulty influences
[19:57] <Keen> roger great job
[19:57] <LaDiva> <--- thought perhaps the several dead 11 year old Palestinian children were being discussed for a minute.
[19:57] <jan> Zeno: pretty pathetic, huh?
[19:57] <MountainMonk> Pixelau, nah, she started two days ago, early morning.
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[19:57] <Sonia> Keen, by the same token, I can call you an arab hater....even better, anti humanitarian
[19:57] <Spammi> M_Ca, this is different. No other country kills, with no regard to our innocent lives or even the lives of their own people.
[19:57] <Zeno> jan. the US only thoiught of things the US would and could use
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[19:58] <Keen> sonia you can call me whatever you want,. the difference is i have expressed no anti arab sentiment so you will just look like a moron for calling me that
[19:58] <cosmo> Spammi, there is precedent
[19:58] <jan> Sonia: out of curiousity, what is your national origon?
[19:58] <Keen> but be my guest
[19:58] <JGM36> Spammi, untrue.
[19:58] <M_Ca> it happens every day spammi.....and our country, your tax dollars and mine support it.....
[19:58] <JimL> Spammi, curious...NATO bombed an awful lot of civilians
[19:58] <Pixelau> M> oh, i only saw her .... seems like all evening ...
[19:58] <Beowolfs> nighters
[19:58] <JGM36> And plenty of precedent.
[19:58] <Keen> night beo
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[19:58] <Havoc> <--- Was somewhat "Anti-Arab". Is now 100% ANTI ARAB. And doesn't really care who knows it.
[19:58] <Spammi> M_Ca, JimL, they weren't aiming for them. We aren't perfect, but we aren't like THAT.
[19:58] <Zeno> LaDiva, Israeli dead since the escalation 130, Palestinian dead, 600
[19:58] <jan> Zeno: just like Tom Clancy said today. Too much Artificial Intel and not enough Human Intel
[19:58] <MountainMonk> Hatch says he has intercepts from associates of Bin Laden....'FOX'
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[19:59] <Thang> hey, I remember someone here said what good it is to know martial art when they can own a gun
[19:59] * CarlSwanson reminds the room that in the 1960's, lots of planes were hijacked with knives,, we put armed Sky Marshalls on planes as a result. We need to put armed security agents on our domestic flights again, plain and simple. no pun intended
[19:59] <Zeno> jan thinking only INSIDE the box
[19:59] <Spammi> Zeno, now we have Americans dead....20,000???
[19:59] <LaDiva> Zeno, yes, I'm aware of the numbers, and often mention them myself. However, the dancing in the streets really upset me today.
[19:59] <JimL> Spammi, it's foreseeable when conducting an airwar, and NATO did so anyway.
[19:59] <jan> Thang: who said that?
[19:59] <Zeno> Spammi. probably. At least 800 at the Pentagon
[19:59] <Thang> heck, if I were on that plane, I could easily take out that guy with a knife
[19:59] <KenBz> This is exactly the happy horsemanure I expect from people who can't find anything Palestinians do wrong, and can't find anything Israelis do right. I keep waiting for them to find some Israeli act of defending itself that's ok, but they never seem to.
[19:59] <Keen> havoc im just anti murdering scum nutjobs. it just so happens that many of them are arab. those are the arabs i hate as well as the cowards who pass out candy and sweets when israelis and americans are killed
[19:59] <M_Ca> Spammi.....i suppose it depends whether you are watching it on tv or experienceing it first hand from the recieving end....
[19:59] <Spammi> JimL, again, we are not perfect. Not by any means.
[19:59] <LaDiva> Spammi, exactly. Why in the WORLD are we discussing Israel/Palestine?
[19:59] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, I agree completely.
[19:59] <Keystone^> Jan, Yep. We used to have hundreds of informats in the Middle East. That was before congress released their names during Iran-Contra investigations. This could have been prevented.
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[19:59] <Melodyy> 6,15 It is now estimated that at least 800 !!! are dead in the Pentagon alone!!
[19:59] <Thang> jan: some pro-gun people
[19:59] <jan> Zeno: yes
[19:59] <DanielBSC> But we must also ask the more uncomfortable question: Why do the terrorists
[19:59] <DanielBSC> hate Americans so much? The answer is well known to many. It is nothing
[19:59] <DanielBSC> short of a revelation to others. It is an affront to some.
[19:59] <Spammi> M_Ca, we experienced it today.
[19:59] <LaDiva> <-- can find plenty wrong with both sides.
[19:59] <Melodyy> 800!!!
[19:59] * neezel thinks its time for bed for me 5 am and tmorow is another day I hope. Take care people, and...sorry, theres no easy way to say this, sorry for the nightmare of today- you are not alone folks
[19:59] <Zeno> LaDiva. it isn't pretty,
[19:59] <Melodyy> 800!!!
[19:59] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, we have to make sure those matials can be readily identified though.
[19:59] <JimL> Spammi, we're willing to kill civilians when we feel justified. :(
[20:00] <Melodyy> 800!!! in the Pentagon!!
[20:00] <LaDiva> Zeno, not at all :(
[20:00] <MountainMonk> martials
[20:00] <Zeno> Melodyy at least
[20:00] <Spammi> JimL, yes, I agree :< I know :<
[20:00] <Roger_A> KenBz, most of the chatters here aren't taking that line. Just one or two, and they are sick individuals who are worth nothing but pity.
[20:00] <jan> nite neezel
[20:00] <Melodyy> Zeno I know. :((
[20:00] <Havoc> Keen: Yep. I agree.
[20:00] <LaDiva> neezel, goodnight
[20:00] <bohunky> nite neezel..god bless
[20:00] <Keen> havoc >D
[20:00] <CarlSwanson> MountainMonk, yuppers.. and no Rent a Cops... US Marshalls and FBI agents,,,,
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[20:00] <Spammi> Nite neez
[20:00] <KenBz> Roger - they're worth nothing but pity? I agree with everything but the last two words
[20:00] <CarlSwanson> smirks :(
[20:00] <Spammi> Hey, smirkies
[20:00] <DanielBSC> First, we are a major world power, and with that power always comes resentment from the less powerful. Furthermore, the powerful almost always abuse some of their power by the sheer size of it. It is not intentional. It
[20:00] <JGM36> Terrorists hate Americans because of their support for Israel.... pure and simple
[20:00] <DanielBSC> is usually inadvertent. But it is still very real. This is normal in the history of the world.
[20:00] <Pixelau> I just cn't believe that SomeOne wasn't alerted that this was going to happen. Don't we have anymore spys?
[20:00] <Glenlivet> CarlSwanson ... no one seems to reconize how devastating this will be economically
[20:00] <JimL> some might say that makes us terrorists too, Spammi. :)
[20:00] <T-DES> smirks, greetings!
[20:00] <Zeno> 12 Will Congress declare martial law or declare WAR tomorrow?
[20:00] * Thang *resmirks* at smirks
[20:00] <smirks> hey CarlSwanson
[20:00] <Sonia> Keen, I do? aren't you the one who is absolutely sure this is a Saudi attack? here are some facts to adjust for your ignorant posts. Usama ben Ladin is an exciled Saudi. what he does does not represent the psotion of the Saudi government. Furthermore, Saudi Arabia is a US ally. did you watch the news during the gulf war? we attacked Iraq, not Saudi Arabia
[20:00] <M52CT> i hope they leave the part of the facade still standing as a memorial
[20:00] <Roger_A> Ok KenBz, contempt..
[20:00] <neezel> nite jan, LaDiva, Spammi an all!!! take care of yourselves....and each other ok?
[20:00] <Spammi> JimL, I'm sure they do think so.
[20:00] <smirks> hi Spammi
[20:00] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, see, we can work all this business out, right here in News Cafe. :)
[20:00] <smirks> hey T-DES
[20:01] <Spammi> neez, you too :)
[20:01] <LaDiva> neezel, absolutely
[20:01] <jan> Glen: we'll realize it when the stock market opens again.
[20:01] <CarlSwanson> Glenlivet, I was talking about that a while back.... we are talking hundreds of billions
[20:01] <Melodyy> Night, neezel
[20:01] <KenBz> Roger - You don't understand. "they're worth nothing" says it all
[20:01] <JimL> I'm not sure what the difference is
[20:01] <neezel> nite Melodyy
[20:01] <Thang> good night neezel!
[20:01] <Pixelau> Where is "Intelligence"?????
[20:01] * smirks *resmirks* back at Thang
[20:01] <neezel> you too thang
[20:01] <Keen> sonia you must be blind. i never said this was a saudi attack. try to read better please. you just end up looking like more of a moron
[20:01] <Roger_A> Ok KenBz, a moment of agreement..
[20:01] <Keystone^> Journalist have no troulbe finding Bin Ladin.
[20:01] <JGM36> "Osama bin Laden", "exiled", "position"
[20:01] <Glenlivet> CarlSwanson .. that is the tip of the iceberg ... world trade was destroyed today.
[20:01] <boiler> Zeno,,,Nort says,Bush will declare war on Bin Laden tomorrow
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[20:01] <cosmo> 800 dead at the Pentagon. dang, the damage didn't look all that bad. how many people work at the Pentagon?
[20:01] <LaDiva> 4 Folks, please leave off the personal insults. Take a deep breath.
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[20:01] <DanielBSC> Our nation and corporations have a rather tragic record of often supporting an abusive foreign government in order to keep our capitalistic interests insured abroad. This means that we inadvertently abuse the downtrodden and the poor in other parts of the world. Yes, we might want to help them through creating employment in an underprivileged region, or by offering military aid, but often that employment is at almost slave wages, and the military help
[20:01] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, you expect more attacks?
[20:01] <bohunky> Its my fault...I brought up Arafat...Isr/Pal isn't an issue today...division/bickering does not befit us today
[20:01] <Havoc> cosmo: 24,000
[20:01] <LaDiva> cosmo, many thousands
[20:01] <T-DES> Zeno.....interesting point about how far the US will react.....and how this may affect our freedoms and privacy....
[20:01] * Spammi will brb...more coffee...will be a long night
[20:01] <boiler> nort = North
[20:02] <M_Ca> confirmed FBI on the way to a van filled with explosives stopped on the George Washington Bridge.....
[20:02] <LaDiva> over 20,000
[20:02] <jan> bioler: can you declaree war on one person?
[20:02] <heart> later folks....this has been a long day...Carpe Diem....GW Bridge...Possible truck with explosives.....it may not be over
[20:02] <Thang> cosmo: 24,000
[20:02] <JGM36> Keystone, yeah, too bad the journalists aren't on our side.
[20:02] <CarlSwanson> 2 Considering the devastating financial loss this incident is going to lead to, a war might well be the only way to rescue the economy. War is Good Business... invest your son's and daughters.
[20:02] <Glenlivet> MountainMonk ... it wouldn't surprise me
[20:02] <bohunky> jan: yep
[20:02] <Keystone^> JGm, Yep.
[20:02] <CarlSwanson> heart, be well
[20:02] <Zeno> T-DES. I do NOT want the US to be turned into a cloxed society like Israel
[20:02] <T-DES> heart..yikes!!!!!
[20:02] <JGM36> bye Heart
[20:02] <bohunky> 3rd President declared war on pirates
[20:02] <Sonia> Keen, no dear, you called it a Saudi attack first. then you changed your mind
[20:02] <boiler> jan,,what North said,he said the third president did it
[20:02] <JGM36> "closed"
[20:02] <Keen> sonia i said that bin laden is a saudi. nice try
[20:02] <Roger_A> CarlSwanson, my nephew was recently discharged from the Army Reserves. I'm glad he's out for his sake.. and ours.. :)
[20:02] <bohunky> was it pirates????....who was it?
[20:02] * Havoc thinks more attacks are on the way
[20:03] <JGM36> That's what "shores of Tripoli" means, BTW
[20:03] <Zeno> 12 Should the draft be enabled?
[20:03] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, that is so old economy! Modern warfare is expensive, and huirts theeconomy. It's only a kick if you don't have hardware and a standing army to begin with. :)
[20:03] <Cali_Gal> Havoc, I agree.
[20:03] <jan> hey Notty.....;o(
[20:03] <JGM36> Hi NottyHead, Veritas
[20:03] <CarlSwanson> Roger_A, if I was ten years younger, I would have enlisted today. Seriously
[20:03] <Roger_A> Zeno, nope.
[20:03] <T-DES> Zeno.....perhaps a better example might be England reaction to IRA......
[20:03] <Keystone^> Bohunky, Better say who the third President was. Many people who went to public schools don't know.
[20:03] <Veritas> hey JGM36
[20:03] <Cali_Gal> Veritas, wb!!
[20:03] <bohunky> We can declare war on terrorists in general...nothing in Constitution sez we can't
[20:03] <NottyHead> Hi jan
[20:03] <T-DES> hey there, NottyHead!
[20:03] * smirks has a uniformed secret service car trolling the parked vehicles on massachusetts ave..checking liscense plates..every vehicle I can see lives here... but they're checking
[20:03] <NottyHead> Hi JGM36
[20:03] <Zeno> 12 If the draft is enabled, should women be included?
[20:03] <T-DES> wb Veritas
[20:03] <M_Ca> i suspect there is another shoe that will drop......i wonder how it will manifest? Biological (viral agents) car bombs?
[20:03] <Veritas> thanks Cali!
[20:03] <PlagueRat> Shortly after taking office Dubya said that he planned to stop taking phone calls at 9 PM and to be in bed my 11 PM... I wonder if he's in bed now.
[20:03] <JimL> Havoc, do you think if we identified the killers, and took them out, there will still be more attacks?
[20:03] <Havoc> Cali_Gal: Every towel head in the country with fertilizer and a truck is deadly now.
[20:03] <NottyHead> Hey T-DES
[20:03] <DanielBSC> These things in no way cause us to condone the act of terrorism, but it helps us to understand the motivation of the terrorist. In turn, this can help us to really solve the problem.
[20:03] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, that is so old economy! Modern warfare is expensive, and hurts the economy. It's only a kick if you don't have hardware and a standing army to begin with. :)
[20:03] <Roger_A> CarlSwanson, Many would join you.. but I would need to be 20 years younger.. lol
[20:03] <jan> Havoc: that is dangerous talk
[20:03] <Havoc> jan: Truthful talk.
[20:03] * smirks ... can you say AfGONEistan?
[20:03] <JGM36> Zeno, I can't support the idea of the draft for women in the USA
[20:04] <Pame> Anyone want to fly tomorrow?
[20:04] <MountainMonk> Roger_A, yep, I'm 8 years too old for military service.
[20:04] <CarlSwanson> MountainMonk, call me a throwback to the good old days of the Military Industrial Complex.... :)
[20:04] <bohunky> Keystone: uh, Adams?....I forget
[20:04] <NottyHead> So what seems to be the acceptable consensus? Declare war?
[20:04] <SharpEye> 4 800 Lbs of Explosives stopped headed to NYC
[20:04] <Keen> if bin laden is behind this we need to take him out ASAP. his money is financing these cowardly attacks
[20:04] <Veritas> martial law in a couple of weeks
[20:04] <T-DES> howdy, SharpEye!
[20:04] <smirks> hey SharpEye
[20:04] <jan> havoc: are all italians in the mafia?
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[20:04] <Keystone^> Bohunky, LOL
[20:04] <Roger_A> hi SharpEye
[20:04] <MountainMonk> CarlSwanson, lol.
[20:04] <Spammi> Pame, oh, yes! I love to fly anyways under *normal* circumstances! (not)
[20:04] <JGM36> Hi SharpEye
[20:04] <Thang> Pame: depend on how high and how far
[20:04] <Glenlivet> NottyHead .. against whom?
[20:04] <bohunky> Keystone: but if u tell me his name I can see his face
[20:04] <Havoc> jan: I don't really care about the mafia or Italy right now.
[20:04] <SharpEye> hi everyone :(
[20:04] <JimL> MM, we don't get the economic bang for your buck (pardon the pun) with defense spending that we do with social spending, but it still primes the economy.
[20:04] <MountainMonk> SharpEye, where did you get that peice of info?
[20:04] * Zeno thinks the defense budget will increase now
[20:04] <Thang> hi Sharpeye!
[20:04] <smirks> fire actually still burning at the pentagon
[20:04] <Havoc> SharpEye
[20:04] <Keystone^> Bohunky, Well, Think of Sally Hemmings.
[20:04] <Sonia> Zeno, yup. Dumya found an excuse
[20:04] <SharpEye> MountainMonk, ms nb c
[20:04] <smirks> 100 to 800 dead inside the pentagon
[20:04] <NottyHead> Glenlivet: Bin Laden and anyone that we can prove has supported him and his organization.
[20:05] <jan> havoc: i was making a point about your generalization regarding American Arabs.
[20:05] <smirks> pewr arlington county fire department
[20:05] <Zeno> Sonia, it will be hard to oppose an increase now
[20:05] <CarlSwanson> SharpEye, what was it, Rosie O's lunch?
[20:05] <MountainMonk> SharpEye, and who was carrying it, Dupont?
[20:05] <LaDiva> 4 Folks, this is a real time for some circumspection. Please refrain from spreading rumors - the Internet's a bad place for this.
[20:05] <Glenlivet> NottyHead .. how do you know it was Bin Laden ... he denied responsibility.
[20:05] <SharpEye> CarlSwanson, Truck bomb
[20:05] <Keen> those taliban kooks will have to hand over bin laden if we ask for him
[20:05] <bohunky> Keystone: oh yeah Billy
[20:05] <MountainMonk> man, I have a bad feeling about this...
[20:05] <Keen> lol he denied responsibility. yes the trustworthy bin laden.
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[20:05] <Keystone^> Bohunky, Close, Both have Jefferson in their names.
[20:05] * smirks ... can you say AfBANGistan?
[20:05] <Havoc> jan: Look. Being "reasonable" and "politically correct" has cost probably 20,000 lives today. I'm not doing the PC thing any longer.
[20:05] <CarlSwanson> Many people on the news today were concerned that an ambulance would be used as a bomb....
[20:06] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, you don't believe that one, he cited a source?
[20:06] <tlb> mountain, a bad feeling is the proper attitude for a war.
[20:06] <Veritas> terrorist activities may continue
[20:06] * smirks ... maybe AfPOOFistan?
[20:06] <bohunky> Keystone: billy is nick for William
[20:06] <snaily> NBC says 1000 die in pentagon
[20:06] * Zeno moons the terrorists
[20:06] <LaDiva> MountainMonk, I'm just making a general statement - we've had a lot of rumor-mongering today.
[20:06] <Veritas> stock market comes to a halt.
[20:06] <JGM36> The song that we know of as "Yellow Rose Of Texas" was once sung as a slanderous attack against President Thomas Jefferson.
[20:07] <jan> Havoc: but that type of thinking could cause more innocent deaths.....be reasonable, man!
[20:07] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, that we have, most of it coming from the tube, not in here. :)
[20:07] <Pixelau> oh no, "at least 800 dead, injured reported at Pentagon" it says
[20:07] <SharpEye> k4AT LEAST 800 REPORTED DEAD AT PENTAGON
[20:07] <smirks> Arlington county Fire Department put the number at 100 to 800 dead in the pentagon
[20:07] <Thang> Zeno: don't make them angry again
[20:07] <bohunky> actually there's no better place for rumours than the internet
[20:07] <Keystone^> Well I don't think Daschle, Gepheart and Hillary will oppose CIA funding now.
[20:07] <SharpEye> 4AT LEAST 800 REPORTED DEAD AT PENTAGON
[20:07] <smirks> moments ago
[20:07] <LaDiva> MountainMonk, yep, which is fine - but we've had reports of ICBMs being fired, among other things.
[20:07] <Pixelau> (oh, incl. those on the airplanes....
[20:07] <Sonia> jan, do not bother, he/she said he/she is an anti arab, here ----> <Havo> <--- Was somewhat "Anti-Arab". Is now 100% ANTI ARAB. And doesn't really care who knows it.
[20:07] * Spammi is crying again...they just showed a mother who had spoken to her son from the air before his plane crashed :< Now...the brother of one of the pilots :<<
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[20:07] <tlb> no, thats 800 dead AND injured. including the people in tehairplane
[20:07] <Zeno> Thang :(
[20:07] <Keen> Go havoc!
[20:07] <smirks> yes, tlb
[20:07] <bohunky> JGM36: no way......really?
[20:07] <bohunky> how so?
[20:07] <Pame> Has ANYONE seen tribe today?.....has she been in?
[20:07] <JGM36> awww, Spammi... << hu>>
[20:07] <smirks> pentagon personnel dead is put at 100 to 800
[20:07] <LaDiva> Pame, yes, she was in a while ago
[20:07] <Spammi> Pame, a few times. She left.
[20:08] <smirks> yes..she was in this morning, Pame
[20:08] <kitty> tribe's been in and out
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[20:08] <Pame> OK....was concerned about her.....
[20:08] <bohunky> JGM36: her eyes as bright as diamond?
[20:08] <Pame> smirks how are things in DC?
[20:08] <Sonia> tlb, I am afraid this number will go up quickly :(
[20:08] <Spammi> She's ok...just upset, Pame.....
[20:08] <Roger_A> Pame, yeah.. she's ok.. stressed, but ok.
[20:08] <jan> Spammi: i saw it too. this is too sad.
[20:08] <JGM36> bohunky, yep... Sally Hemmings was the "rose" of Jefferson, according to the parody
[20:08] <Havoc> Sonia: We don't need 'reasonable" today. Save that for the budget debate.
[20:08] <DanielBSC> smirks... I remember when everyone thought the OKC bombing was a terrorist act by the middle east... It turned out to be one of our own. Does anyone remember the Olympic park bombing?? I'm not saying that I think an American pulled this off, in fact I do tend to believe it would be something bin Laden would pull off -- especially with his funding and how orchestrated the events took place... I just think we should be wary of pointing fingers until fa
[20:08] <CarlSwanson> this is absolutely unbelievable....
[20:08] <smirks> Pame...quiet... very quiet..streets are deserted...
[20:08] <Pame> I think we're all stressed and tired and upset....
[20:08] <Spammi> jan, I can't believe they'd interview the families.....
[20:08] <tlb> sonia its possible, we'll see
[20:08] <Pixelau> Car> it is
[20:08] <Spammi> Pame, I just got new coffee. I know I can't sleep.
[20:08] <Pame> smirks here also, I was out for a short time a little bit ago....
[20:08] <jan> Spammi: as sick as it is, people need to know.
[20:08] <Keen> we'll be pointing more than fingers at bin laden if he did this
[20:08] <MountainMonk> I'll be up tonight. :(
[20:08] <Sonia> Havoc, ya, let's just act like a bunch of bigots, is that your suggestion?
[20:09] <JGM36> bohunky, yes, I think you know the lyrics of today
[20:09] <bohunky> JGM36: wow!....I don't know what to think of that......ponder....hmmmmmmm....ponder...
[20:09] <Glenlivet> JGM36 ... only problem is ... Texas didn't exist in Jefferson's days.
[20:09] <LaDiva> DanielBSC, agreed, it's important, no matter what we may *think*, to measure the reaction until we KNOW who did this.
[20:09] <Spammi> jan, that's true...but give the families time...they had nothing major to share....
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[20:09] <Havoc> Sonia: Call it what you want. Like I said, my political correctness is over with. (What little I had)
[20:09] <T-DES> 0,12*** We encourage spirited debate, but PLEASE direct your enthusiasm to the issues and not indulge in personal insults or derogatory remarks to other chatters. Thanks. ***
[20:09] * Spammi puts Sonia on ignore too...not the night to start defending those who prolly killed 20,000 or more Americans
[20:09] <Pixelau> My eyes are burning, but i know i'll be up again tonight.
[20:09] <Sonia> being civilized is the same as political correctness?
[20:09] <Zeno> Imagine there's no heaven,
[20:09] <Zeno> It's easy if you try,
[20:09] <Zeno> No hell below us,
[20:09] <Zeno> Above us only sky,
[20:09] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[20:09] <Zeno> living for today...
[20:09] <Keen> spammi and she claims to be an american
[20:09] * smirks DanielBSC... the jury is still out on OKC...Terry Nichols was in the phillipines until the first week of april...he then went directly to mcveigh upon returning to the US... you don't have all teh facts, either... scold elsewhere
[20:09] <Pame> Airport security HAS to change!
[20:09] <JGM36> Glenlivet, the song existed before 1845 when Texas was admitted to the Union.
[20:09] <bohunky> Glen: maybe Sally was a girlfriend of Jefferson's mexican friend Tejas
[20:09] <Thang> go to sleep, MountainMonk! staying up will not fix anything
[20:10] <Havoc> Spammi: She's probably defending Andrea Yates too. I know her type.
[20:10] <jan> Spammi: i am so afraid to go to work tomorrow. i have business associates in those buildings. one works on the 102nd floor of the first building that was hit...
[20:10] <Keen> lol havoc
[20:10] <Pixelau> Zeno:) John Lennon
[20:10] <Zeno> Imagine there's no countries,
[20:10] <Zeno> It isnt hard to do,
[20:10] <Zeno> Nothing to kill or die for,
[20:10] <Spammi> Keen, if she is....she doesn't have much respect for the lives of our people :<
[20:10] <bohunky> or just a mexican friend
[20:10] <MountainMonk> Thang, it's my temperament, can't be helped.
[20:10] <Spammi> Havoc, heh. I kind of defended Yates :) :P
[20:10] <Keen> spammi we dont need "americans" like that
[20:10] <Zeno> No religion too,
[20:10] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[20:10] <Zeno> living life in peace...
[20:10] <bohunky> Zeno: not a good day for that sentiment
[20:10] <Glenlivet> JGM36 .. why don't you look up the date Jefferson served as President ... you'll find it was Pre 1836.
[20:10] <Keen> they love our free speech and our supermarkets
[20:10] <jan> Pame: i agree. those people are half asleep.
[20:10] <Havoc> Spammi: Quit that.
[20:10] <smirks> pentagon wil be open tomorrow morning
[20:10] <Zeno> Pixelau Nothing is more appropriate right now
[20:10] <smirks> for business
[20:10] <Spammi> Keen, if they like Islam so much, let them give it a try a live it.
[20:10] <CarlSwanson> 2 It would be nice to see the scroll in here stop for a few seconds as we consider the people who lost wives, mothers, sisters, fathers and brothers today, and those who will be lost as this calamity plays out in the comming months. 13 A Moment of Silence, in respect our fellow Americans who died and the loved ones they left behind.
[20:10] <Pixelau> you may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one ....
[20:10] <Zeno> bohunky this is EXACTLY the time for it
[20:10] <Spammi> Havoc, lol.
[20:10] <Thang> MountainMonk: I know....but you still need to sleep
[20:10] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, elected first time in 1800 in fact.
[20:10] <DanielBSC> I'm not trying to scold, I trying to encourage justice by knowing facts before we act.
[20:10] <smirks> *pray*
[20:11] <bohunky> Zeno: as in love ur enemy?
[20:11] <JGM36> Glenlivet, remember that many other songs.... God Save The King, for example, were refitted with American lyrics.
[20:11] <Keen> spammi they can be muslims in the us.
[20:11] <Zeno> Imagine no possesions,
[20:11] <Zeno> I wonder if you can,
[20:11] <Zeno> No need for greed or hunger,
[20:11] <Glenlivet> MountainMonk ... Texas didn't come into being until 1836
[20:11] <Zeno> A brotherhood of man,
[20:11] <Zeno> imane all the people
[20:11] <Zeno> Sharing all the world
[20:11] <Spammi> Keen, true.
[20:11] <jan> Carl: thanks....nice thought
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[20:11] <smirks> God Bless Them, Carl
[20:11] * Aero asks if anyone has any news on the 2 overseas inbound to US flights that were suspected of being hijacked?
[20:11] <Zeno> bohunky, isn't that how Christ would want it?
[20:11] <bohunky> Zeno: no today is a day of consolation, prayer, sorrow, help
[20:11] <Pixelau> oh ~~ oh ~~~
[20:11] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, it was there, but a State of Mexico (New Spain)
[20:11] <Thang> hi clay!
[20:11] <jan> Aero: say what?
[20:11] <Sonia> Spammi, ha? when did I defend them?
[20:11] <Zeno> bohunky and love
[20:11] <Pame> Aero, I just heard a plane flying, but it was VERY high up......
[20:11] <JGM36> Glenlivet, the song that WE KNOW OF TODAY as "Yellow Rose Of Texas" is from the 1700s.
[20:11] <Havoc> DanielBSC: Here's your "facts". Libya. Afghanistan. Sudan. Iraq. Iran. Investigation over. Vaporize them.
[20:12] <asa250> Zeno...I feel the love.....even willing to "hug" some of the repubs here....but not all....I still have some honor.
[20:12] <Sonia> Spammi, what post are you refering to?
[20:12] <Zeno> 12You may say Im a dreamer,
[20:12] <Zeno> but Im not the only one,
[20:12] <Zeno> I hope some day you'll join us,
[20:12] <Zeno> And the world will live as one.
[20:12] <Thang> Aero: nope ....sorry
[20:12] * smirks .. officially...the National Guard is patrolling the streets in Georgetown and Downtown
[20:12] <clay45> hi
[20:12] <JGM36> The new LYRICS are from the 1800s.
[20:12] <bohunky> No, he healed hurts, raised dead, fed hungry, He "said" forgive that u may be forgiven
[20:12] <MountainMonk> Thang, thanks, it's still early here. I'll probably tire soon enough. :)
[20:12] <LaDiva> We celebrated our sesquicentennial in Texas back in 1986.
[20:12] <Keen> spammi its more of a denial then a defense
[20:12] <Glenlivet> JGM36 ... actually it is a song about the Alamo ...
[20:12] <Aero> smirks did you ever get an update
[20:12] <Zeno> asa250. sometimes tragedy brings us together
[20:12] <Spammi> Gerald ford made a statement.
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[20:12] <DanielBSC> havoc where is your respect for innocent life?
[20:12] <Pixelau> hi clay45
[20:12] <Spammi> Keen, I knkow.
[20:12] <Thang> wb Brianna!
[20:12] <Havoc> DanielBSC: Gone.
[20:12] <Aero> Brianna ;)
[20:12] <Pame> Wow Brianna!......Congrats!
[20:12] <DanielBSC> 'cmon
[20:12] <Brianna> ty Thang
[20:12] <CarlSwanson> LaDiva, you and I are unique texans,, you can spell it, I can pronounce it :)
[20:12] <T-DES> howdy, Brianna!
[20:12] <Brianna> thx Pame
[20:12] <LaDiva> CarlSwanson, hahaha
[20:12] <smirks> Aero..everyone stopped calling... I got no answer in teh offices i called... I took a nap...
[20:12] <Brianna> Aero :)
[20:13] <Keen> spammi someone actually said how do we know it was bin laden/ he denied responsibility. LOL
[20:13] <kitty> smirks is there marshall law in DC my nephew and his fiance are safe in their apt
[20:13] <LaDiva> <--- can spell AND pronounce!
[20:13] <bohunky> Zeno: turn the other cheek when U are hit.
[20:13] <Brianna> Hey T-DES
[20:13] <JGM36> Glenlivet, the TUNE has been used with several sets of lyrics.
[20:13] <MountainMonk> and I can say 'Dallas lost, SF won! Nah nah nah nah...
[20:13] <CarlSwanson> LaDiva, a friend of mine almost choked trying to say it once at Jim's Pier :)
[20:13] <Sonia> Zeno, well, this one seems to be taking us appart. IF you do not agree with Keen, then you are not american and Spammi just put me on ignore think that I support what happened today
[20:13] <Pixelau> wow, no commercial hijacked commercial plane in ten years (1991)
[20:13] <Zeno> bohunky, I learned to forgive when my family was killed. Have you learned to forgive?
[20:13] <Pame> Jesus, looking at a deserted LAX is REALLY creepy....
[20:13] <smirks> kitty .. not martial law exactly... but they'd like us all to stay inside tonight... the mayor said Dc will be open for business wednesday morning
[20:13] <LaDiva> That's sad - Barbara Olson was booked on the Monday flight, but stayed in D.C. because today was her husband's birthday.
[20:13] <Keen> i didnt say you werent american. i say your a poor excuse for an american
[20:13] <JGM36> LaDiva. I can back you up on HALF of that statement.
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, what statement is that?
[20:14] <bohunky> Zeno: I hold nothing against anyone today
[20:14] <JGM36> AFAIK... you are quite excellent in your spelling.
[20:14] * smirks .. Barbara Olsen may have found that there IS hell to pay for your actions
[20:14] <MountainMonk> Pame, wait until you get a gander of NYC tommrrow.
[20:14] <bohunky> Zeno: does that mean I don't believe in social justice?....nope
[20:14] <kitty> ok thanks they both work in fed bldgs near big targets, whitehouse and state dept
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, and my pronunciation is beyond compare :)
[20:14] <jan> smirk: so ture
[20:14] <asa250> the salvation army and red cross have funds for victims....100% go to victims....
[20:14] <jan> true
[20:14] <bohunky> Zeno: do U?
[20:14] <smirks> what a ay to go
[20:14] <JGM36> Whether you can pronounce these grand words, I have no idea.
[20:14] <Pixelau> brb
[20:14] <smirks> way
[20:14] <Keen> smirks she can no apologize to virginia kelley in person
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, and thank you (the polite response)
[20:14] <Keen> now
[20:14] <Pame> MM, I know.....horrible.....
[20:14] <Sonia> Keen, as you said, you are very "free speech" oriented. and very tolerant of other opinions
[20:14] <CarlSwanson> smirks, it is well beneath you to say that... I am surprised you would
[20:14] <LaDiva> JGM36, in seven languages *GRIN*
[20:14] <Zeno> boiler. I believe in justice.
[20:15] <smirks> Keen .. well...
[20:15] <bohunky> Zeno: was the perpetrator caught,convicted, sentenced?
[20:15] <smirks> CarlSwanson .. I was surprised at her, too
[20:15] <Keen> sonia you can say them and i can respond to them. thats free s
[20:15] <bohunky> Zeno: where does forgiveness fit in ur justice?
[20:15] <smirks> Olsen wrote the book for money
[20:15] <Sonia> Keen, ya right
[20:15] <Keen> smirks some badass cosmic justice
[20:15] <aalfred> has the war started yet?
[20:15] <Zeno> Bot yes.
[20:15] <Zeno> bohunky yes
[20:15] <JGM36> LaDiv> Not including the Fourth Dimension Anne Heche language?
[20:15] * Thang knows LaDiva can speak Icelandic
[20:15] <CarlSwanson> 4 unreal that some people in here are suggesting Barbara Olsen deserved this... what kind of people come in here with that crap?
[20:15] <smirks> Keen .. I don't argue with things like that
[20:15] <bohunky> Zeno: didn't u forgive them?
[20:15] <aalfred> Why is FEMA setting up in cities where nothing happened?
[20:15] <Havoc> aalfred: Yes. It started at 8:40 this morning.
[20:15] <MountainMonk> Congress plans on doing alot of yakking tomorrow, not much else. Maybe they can form another choir?
[20:15] <Keen> one of the producers of "Frasier" was on the boston plane
[20:16] <Zeno> bohunky, yes I did.
[20:16] <LaDiva> JGM36, indeed not - my "Celestian" is quite rusty.
[20:16] * smirks .. normal people
[20:16] <Keen> carl no one is saying that. lighten up
[20:16] <JGM36> Boogooo ruennttt leeeeacntl
[20:16] <LaDiva> Thang *GRIN*
[20:16] <Pame> Oh jesus christ.....I didn't care for Barbara Olsen, but she was a HUMAN BEING and she was MURDERED!
[20:16] <DanielBSC> I agree Carl... that comment disgusted me.
[20:16] <JGM36> hehehe
[20:16] <jan> Carl: you're right. even i thought it. it's wrong.
[20:16] <CarlSwanson> un-freaking-real
[20:16] <bohunky> Zeno: & u argued for their freedom from guilt & judgement?
[20:16] <aalfred> Pame..well, yeah
[20:16] <tlb> well NBC is sticking to the 800 dead in the pentagon story
[20:16] <clay45> ashcroft says this was groups of 3 to 5......i do not know but suspect families of passengers have been interviewed and 3 to 5 people per flight had no family here
[20:16] <LaDiva> CarlSwanson, people with zero compassion as human beings.
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[20:16] <clay45> or no family concerned
[20:16] <aalfred> MountainMonk?
[20:16] <Keen> lol smirks
[20:16] <Roger_A> wb Zeno
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[20:16] <CarlSwanson> Anyone suggesting they are "human beings" better have the DNA to prove it.
[20:16] <LaDiva> Olson's comments are not a concern here, or shouldn't be - the woman died in a terrible fashion.
[20:16] <Pame> Actually, even though I never agreed with her, I did admire her....
[20:17] <JGM36> Hi Zeno
[20:17] * smirks smirks LaDiva.. 'NUFF SAID there
[20:17] <snaily> at least she died instantly inthe end
[20:17] <Pame> LaD absolutely.....imagine her how her husband feels.......
[20:17] <aalfred> Barbara Olson deserved to be publically humiliated. Not smashed into the ground.
[20:17] <CarlSwanson> Jesus... un real
[20:17] <LaDiva> smirks, fine, then say nothing
[20:17] <smirks> impossible to get into manhattan tonite
[20:17] <Zeno> thanks
[20:17] <MountainMonk> <aalfre> Why is FEMA setting up in cities where nothing happened? <<< response to that
[20:17] <aalfred> smirks..why would anyone want to
[20:17] <jan> going to watch more tragic news. goodnight, friends.........God Bless America
[20:17] <Jed> Pame, I'm with you...she was fun to watch debate....
[20:17] <JimL> I never agreed with her, found her opinions disgusting, but don't like to see her killed.
[20:17] <kitty> I couldn't stand her and think her husband must have been crazy to tell her the other planes crashed
[20:17] * smirks .. LaDiva.. I don't HAVE to
[20:17] <bohunky> Barbara may have given clues to who did this
[20:17] <Melodyy> LaDiva The thing that keeps running through my mind is her husband's last memory of her voice.....whatever she may have been saying at the last instant of her life....
[20:17] <Keen> pame as badly as all the other next of kin
[20:17] <LaDiva> Pame, the saddest part being she was supposed to fly out yesterday, but stayed for his birthday this morning.
[20:17] <Pame> Jed yes she was.....
[20:17] <Havoc> MountainMonk: It ain't over yet.
[20:17] <tlb> Olson died with courage. she reported what was occurring
[20:17] * Zeno thinks we will find people who died were random.
[20:18] <Keystone^> Barbera Olsen was a hero today. The information she gave will help lead to who is responsible.
[20:18] <Pame> Keen yes......LaD yes, I heard....
[20:18] <LaDiva> She died trying to help, if possible.
[20:18] <JGM36> Barbara Olson was wonderful as a panelist.... she had some really tough questions that I wish someone would make Condit answer.
[20:18] <Pame> She is an American Hero.....
[20:18] <Melodyy> Zeno AGreed. It wasn't the people; it was the symbolism of the buildings.
[20:18] <Keen> zeno why would you think otherwise?
[20:18] <aalfred> MountainMonk..what did you say was the reason? I'm afraid Bush and the VRWC will use this as an excuse to set up a police state. With FEMA in the lead.
[20:18] * smirks tlb.. olsen called the solicitor general of teh US in an attempt to save her own life
[20:18] <T-DES> Keystone^....I agree with you...
[20:18] <Zeno> Keen, I was sort of responding to how some people say some deserved it.
[20:18] <bohunky> Barbara was to be on Politically Incorrect tonite. She held off her flight yesterday until this morning to spend birthday breakfast w/ her husband Ted
[20:18] <Roger_A> tlb, I agree. I disagreed with her on politics, but admired her intelligence. She died courageously. I will miss her.
[20:18] <LaDiva> Good lord, the woman called her HUSBAND.
[20:18] <CarlSwanson> 4 I guess some people are so disassociated from reality and society that they can joke about 20,000 of their fellow Americans because they have "no close family connection"
[20:18] * smirks "wonderful panelist"... how about "wonderful LIAR"
[20:19] <Pame> Roger, yes.....
[20:19] <LaDiva> smirks, no respect for the dead at all?
[20:19] <bohunky> It is Ted's birthday
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[20:19] * smirks .. I call them as I see them
[20:19] <Keen> zeno i dont think anyone in here really thinks that, other than the america-haters
[20:19] <MountainMonk> aalfred, prepostioning? Only reason I could think of... don't know about the police state thing, I consider us to be under a usurper already, so...
[20:19] <JimL> yes, smirks...but she didn't deserve to die.
[20:19] <snaily> How can you criticiusm Barbara Olsen
[20:19] <Keen> i dont speak for those people
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[20:19] <clay45> what are you talking about carl
[20:19] <asa250> carl.....you are making a strong case to claim the moral high ground.....it's not yours.
[20:19] <LaDiva> <--- had way too close a connection, but even if I didn't, how can people be so crass?
[20:19] <Roger_A> smirks, she took a position, one you don't agree with. That does not make one a liar.
[20:19] <aalfred> My father lives in DC and occassionally visited the pentagon.
[20:19] <bohunky> Barbara was a feisty & noble conservative advocate & respected by her liberal adversaries
[20:19] <LaDiva> smirks, you make yourself well-known in the room by your words.
[20:19] * smirks .. death is a part of life.. it is NOT sacred
[20:19] <aalfred> MountainMonk..yep
[20:19] <MountainMonk> snaily, I can criticise her very easily, but I won't, because she's dead.
[20:19] <Zeno> Keen. maybe. You don't know who did this heinous act yet now do you.
[20:19] <Cali_Gal> smirks, maybe someone will remember that on your special day. sheesh.
[20:20] <JimL> smirks, she died a very unnatural death
[20:20] * Thang was near death once.....a very short time ago
[20:20] <bohunky> life is sacred....death is .....who knows.....tragic
[20:20] * smirks smirks LaDiva.. TROLL AWAY... put me on ignore.. just GO AWAY..
[20:20] <LaDiva> Thang, and we're so glad you're here.
[20:20] * smirks smirks LieDiva
[20:20] <aalfred> They are doing serious price gouging. I am so glad I just happened to get gas yesterday
[20:20] * Melodyy hugs Thang...... I'm so glad you're HERE!
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[20:20] <Pame> Thang honey, so glad you're ok now.....
[20:20] * smirks never adressed you, LaDiva... skip me
[20:20] <Melodyy> Hiya, Skullhunter
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[20:20] <Pame> Skull honey!
[20:20] <Keen> zeno nope
[20:20] <LaDiva> smirks, no trolling, I find your crassness about people's deaths to be horrid. But you're entitled to tell us more.
[20:20] <T-DES> bohunky.......good comment...
[20:20] <Skullhunter> hi Melodyy
[20:20] * Thang is glad to be here
[20:20] <Skullhunter> heya Pame hon
[20:20] * Abolish_Death-and-Taxes hugs melodyy
[20:20] <Glenlivet> LaDiva ... anyone who loves Bush is a fool to think this will make those who hate him so deeply love him.
[20:20] <Melodyy> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes ty :)
[20:20] <LaDiva> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes, welcome
[20:20] <aalfred> Will Bush allow the price gouging, the free market on gas, or will it be stopped
[20:20] * Zeno reminds people not to jump to conclusions
[20:21] <aalfred> $5 a gallon
[20:21] <Keen> lol things are back to normal. left wingers vs right wingers with some jew haters on both sides
[20:21] <CarlSwanson> in the past, the RIGHT in here has some pretty whacked, fringe of reality people, but I think we ALL saw the most reprehensible, unkind, disgusting comments come from the extremists on the left, who apparently think some people DESERVED this and others who claim this is directly related to President Bush.. "not leading". Unreal to revel in anyones death in such a manner, more disgusting to use the murder of so many innocent people simply as an excus
[20:21] <Skullhunter> Keen!
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[20:21] <MountainMonk> bohunky, hardly. She was the leader of the elves operation, that connected Ken Starr with the defunct Jones case. She was not liked by Democrats, and neither was her husband. Now let's leave it there out of respect.
[20:21] <Havoc> aalfred: $1.34 here in Atlanta - right now.
[20:21] <Cali_Gal> aalfred, that's been mentioned before. Where is that going on?
[20:21] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> aalf, quit rumormongering.
[20:21] <bohunky> Glenlivet: well which is it...one who loves or thinks?
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[20:21] <Zeno> Glenlivet. shrub is not a fav of mine. but under the circumstances I am willing to give him ONE more chance. he better not boot this one.
[20:21] <DanielBSC> I agree Carl... and people say there is no such thing as a culture of death in America. Thousands of innocent people were brutally and horrifically murdered today. The weight of the saddness is quite heavy. Mrs. Olsen was an American, a human being, someone's daughter, someones wife... This is an increddibly sad moment for all humans.
[20:21] <Thang> $1.42 in Gainesville, FL right now
[20:21] <asa250> keen....you're the only one mentioning "jew hating"....projecting?
[20:21] <Keen> carl that is true but note that on some message boards i have seen some scum blame this on bill clinton
[20:21] <clay45> carl are you referring to my comment as a joke about people lives....the one referring to ashcroft?
[20:21] <T-DES> hello, riprap!
[20:21] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> gas would have been 5 a gallon if gore had gotten elected, anyway. <>
[20:21] <aalfred> Cali_Gal...they say $5 in texas and okc and $4 a lot of other places...arkansas
[20:21] <Thang> hi riprap!
[20:21] <Glenlivet> bohunky ... no one ever accused Bush of thinking ... he's not intelligent enough to do it.
[20:21] <Havoc> aalfred: Those gas prices are merely rumours.
[20:22] * smirks .. hey.. Olsen is sacred to you.. I understand.. I wouldn't want to have to apologize for that slime she wrote and peddled...some in here have no conscience, though..they only see the "GOOD" in her..that she GOT CLINTON... LOLOL... truth hurts
[20:22] <Cali_Gal> aalfred..lol.. O.K. Who is 'they'?
[20:22] <aalfred> Havoc..they are rumours on my TV with pictures
[20:22] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> aalf, nonsense
[20:22] <CarlSwanson> clay45, no. You were mild compared to some of your friends in here this morning...
[20:22] <LaDiva> aalfred, the governor of Texas has said NO GOUGING.
[20:22] <Zeno> CarlSwanson have you seen anyone try to implicate Clintn in this?
[20:22] <Pame> BREAKING NEWS!
[20:22] <JGM36> I wonder if the WTC attack of today was forecast by Nostradamus.
[20:22] <LaDiva> I really disliked Ms. Olson, but I find her death a real tragedy, along with all the deaths today.
[20:22] <aalfred> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes..nono..it's on TV. They are showing the pumps
[20:22] <asa250> Cheney was talking about terrorism yesterday in Lexington Ky....
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[20:22] <Thang> 5JGM: that's my question 30 minutes
[20:22] <boiler> aalfred,,,$5.10 in Indy
[20:22] <Pame> 4truck on the GWB bridge is a truck full of explosives......
[20:22] <Keen> asa does the shoe fit? i didnt know you are a jew hater
[20:22] <aalfred> LaDiva..yes..all the deaths
[20:22] <CarlSwanson> Keen, they are wrong as well... this is not about making political points.
[20:22] <Skullhunter> I wonder, would that be more or less reprehensible than any of the comments from the right expressing a desire to "turn Afghanistan into black, fused sand" or similar chest-thumping macho idiocy.
[20:23] <Keen> carl i agree. its sick
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[20:23] <Zeno> aalfred asa250 is no jew hater
[20:23] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> where, aalf, downtown manhattan?
[20:23] <JGM36> I liked Mrs. Olson and I found her death a real tragedy, as all of these have been.
[20:23] <NCRICH> LaDiva...I concur. And she wasn't bad looking either.
[20:23] <Thang> 5JGM: I thought he wrote something about the fall of great towers...but I could be wrong
[20:23] <asa250> I'm surprised Cheney's quotes aren't all over the national news....very much on target....almost like he knew something.
[20:23] <Zeno> CarlSwanson will you contineu to say that when budget talks resume?
[20:23] <aalfred> LaDiva..apparently the free market pays no attention to the governor of Texas
[20:23] <Spammi> Oh gawd. Cell phone calls are being made from some people stranded in the bottom floors of the WTC !
[20:23] <Aero> smirks personally I agree with you... I didn't care for her... but thats no way for anyone to die
[20:23] <MountainMonk> JGM36, fair enough.
[20:23] <bohunky> MountainMonk: I didn't say she was liked, altho she was even by many of her liberal adversaries. Oh u mean the defunct drag $870,000 thru a trailer park case that eventually impeached a Prezedint & exposed him for the liar, rapist, & red chinese traitor he is?
[20:23] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> skull, nuking afghanistan is redundant.
[20:23] <Keen> spammi really?
[20:23] <Spammi> trapped survivors.
[20:23] <aalfred> asa250..do you think there is any possiblity that they could have known what was coming and let it come?
[20:23] <Spammi> Yes...on CNN
[20:23] <Keen> wow
[20:23] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> since much of it looks like it was already nuked
[20:23] <DanielBSC> smirks.... I sense much anger in you... the good is in you, I can feel it... Put aside your hatred and come back to the light side of the force.
[20:23] <Spammi> Yeah. Wow.
[20:23] <JGM36> And NYC is probably what Nostradamus calls "The New City"
[20:24] <Skullhunter> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes, more like pointless and stupid, but redundant would also work.
[20:24] <NCRICH> Spammi...I think that'
[20:24] <MountainMonk> bohunky, yeah, the case that was ruled without merit on all it'sa allegations, that one.
[20:24] <Zeno> JGM36 you need to go to skepdic.com
[20:24] <JGM36> Nostradamus specified that the attack would come in September (the 9th month)
[20:24] <bohunky> dang! MountainMonk!...I'd really rather not go there either. I'm really trying to keep my righteous anger within today's event parameters
[20:24] * smirks Aero.. GOD decided she would die like that... not I
[20:24] <bohunky> MountainMonk: ok
[20:24] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> now, aalf, WHERE was 5 a gal gas being reported from?
[20:24] <JGM36> And that it would be preceded by a comet (Hale-Bopp)
[20:24] <MountainMonk> bohunky, now let's drop it.. that is last centuries news.
[20:24] <Glenlivet> JGM36 ... he also forcast the "idot son would assend the throne".
[20:24] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> downtown manhattan? or somewhere else
[20:25] <CarlSwanson> 4 this hasn't even gained reality status with us yet... when we see how many died... try ripping 100 pages out of your Phone Book, that is how many people died
[20:25] <Zeno> bohunky it looks like the Islamic god is more powerful than your christian god.
[20:25] * smirks .. just points that out...
[20:25] <Thang> hey, today is 9/11......that makes 911
[20:25] <JGM36> Yes, Thang, that's right
[20:25] <Pame> thang that was mentioned earlier......
[20:25] <MountainMonk> Thang, very creative of you. And you say I should go to bed? :)
[20:25] <NCRICH> Spammi...It''s the two police officers they were referring to earlier, I think...
[20:25] <boiler> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes,,,it is some places in Indy
[20:25] <DanielBSC> Zeno... reboot your head
[20:25] * Spammi doesn't think that killing innocent people makes you powerful
[20:25] <bohunky> Zeno: I should just click u off....but maybe we need the humor tonite
[20:25] <JGM36> way earlier.
[20:25] <Cali_Gal> DanielBSC..lol..
[20:25] <aalfred> Abolish_Death-and-Taxes...Texas and OKC according to my TV. $4 in some places locally. They said that one station raised prices 10 cents within a few minutes of the first hit
[20:25] <Spammi> Rich, they're saying survivors trapped in the WTC
[20:25] * smirks .. can you say AfBOMBistan
[20:25] <Thang> Pame: oh....well, I guess I am a slow thinker :)
[20:25] <asa250> bohunky....I thought you were providing humor?
[20:26] <Pame> thang that's ok......
[20:26] <bohunky> Zeno: Islamic god? u mean Allah?...God of Abraham?
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[20:26] <Thang> MountainMonk: you should still go to bed :)
[20:26] <JGM36> smirks, how about A-Bomb-istan ????
[20:26] <Skullhunter> Bah, Nostradamus. Even if we could properly translate works written in poetic form in an old French dialect that the writer was known to have purposely written out of order, so many of his 'predictions' haven't come true.
[20:26] <MountainMonk> Thang :)
[20:26] <Zeno> Skullhunter try www.skepdic.com :)
[20:26] <smirks> JGM36... we won't be the first to use it..they didn't... but it is a thought
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[20:26] <Keen> spammi hitler tried terror bombing of london during ww2. that didnt work either
[20:26] <NCRICH> Yea Spammi, two police officers in the basement called their wives.
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[20:26] <Spammi> Warren CHristopher right in telling AMericans not to take this out on Arab-Americans, like we did with the Japanese....
[20:26] <bohunky> asa250: I always try, but today I've not enjoyed the joy of my self too much
[20:26] <aalfred> I wonder how many people are in the #newsroom
[20:27] <Spammi> Rich, oh, ok. Maybe that was it.
[20:27] <MountainMonk> none of Nostradamus so-called 'prophesies' hascome true <heavy eyerolling phas>
[20:27] <Zeno> 518 aalfred
[20:27] <Havoc> Spammi I heard that. Fat chance.
[20:27] <Keen> arabamericans didnt do this
[20:27] <JGM36> Skullhunter, I'm not completely gullible.... I don't fall for that whole John Edwards Crossing Over crapola.... but Nostradamus has always been a favorite of mine.
[20:27] <aalfred> Zeno..weren't there more for OJ?
[20:27] <MountainMonk> aalfred, too many I'd guess
[20:27] <bohunky> isn't Rome at 40-45 degrees also?
[20:27] <Pame> Keen, no they didn't......
[20:27] <T-DES> wb fleep
[20:27] <Thang> Skullhunter: he did it so he would be called a witch
[20:27] <fleep> rehowdy T-DES
[20:27] <Spammi> Havoc, probably not, but I sure wouldn't blame them for what these nuts did.
[20:27] <Thang> wb fleep!
[20:27] <smirks> fleep fleep fleep
[20:27] <Zeno> aalfred maybe. more maybe for Princess Di.
[20:27] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> yes, you should never drop bombs or missles on englishmen. putting them to the sword is much more fun.
[20:28] <Havoc> Spammi: Maybe not -- but I don't care to run into one tomorrow. Might be a bad day.
[20:28] <fleep> Thang, smirks, rehowdy
[20:28] <Pame> Do you think, they are so concentrating on the airlines.....if they might not have OTHER tricks up their sleeves?
[20:28] <fleep> looks like we're running out of steam here
[20:28] <asa250> womder how cheney's heart is holding up...
[20:28] * Thang can't keep his eyelids up much longer
[20:28] <Spammi> Havoc, I could deal with it...seperate the terrorists from regular people who are prolly as baffled as the rest of us.
[20:28] <JGM36> bohunky, but Rome is *certainly not* THE NEW CITY..... it is AN OLD, OLD CITY.... old in Caesar's day.
[20:28] <MountainMonk> heaviest day for Newsroom was 1-1-00, right CarlSwanson?
[20:28] <aalfred> Didn't Hitler use the bombing of the Reichstag to make an excuse for setting up a police state?
[20:28] <smirks> is up for awhile
[20:28] <Thang> good night people!
[20:28] <MountainMonk> aalfred, yes, blamed it on the commies.
[20:28] * Cali_Gal gets a blankie and tucks Thang in
[20:28] <LaDiva> I suspect (and hope I'm right) that THIS was THE operation. That this was a very successful rendering of their big plan.
[20:28] <Melodyy> Night, dear Thang.
[20:28] <fleep> nite Thang
[20:28] <Aero> nite Thang
[20:28] <T-DES> nite thang
[20:28] <Spammi> Cya thang
[20:28] <LaDiva> 'night, Thang :)
[20:28] <MountainMonk> nite Thang
[20:28] <DanielBSC> nite thang
[20:28] <smirks> nie Thang
[20:29] <Havoc> Spammi: I 'reckon I'm not so 'understanding'
[20:29] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> "Keep looking.... keep watching the skies!"
[20:29] <smirks> nite, even
[20:29] <Pame> MM, I was there....stayed up all night and watched 2000 come in all over the world....
[20:29] <bohunky> JGM36: maybe the Vatican?
[20:29] <T-DES> pagenmystic, hey there!
[20:29] <asa250> aalfred....at this moment, the pubs are going over the chat logs......we're all in trouble
[20:29] <JGM36> bohunky, again..... OLD
[20:29] <Thang> have a great Wednesday and don't forget to pray for the people risking their lives to save others!
[20:29] <Zeno> LOL asa250
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[20:29] <NCRICH> CNN reporting the Van story.
[20:29] <MountainMonk> Pame, so was Zeno, and Carl, Go-Seki, we were there all night.
[20:29] <aalfred> Let us all remember that Bush gave 100 million to the taleban this year. I wonder how much of that went into training these people
[20:29] <Pame> MM, yeah and Roger, too....
[20:29] <Spammi> Havoc, I understand.
[20:29] <bohunky> JGM36: Seattle?
[20:29] <aalfred> asa250...time will tell
[20:29] <bohunky> ;-)
[20:29] <JGM36> bohunky, it seems when ole Nostro talks about "The New City" he means in the USA... which is in the New World.
[20:30] <Zeno> MountainMonk yeah I kept waking up when my head hit the keyboard..:)
[20:30] <MountainMonk> Pame, yep. That was one nice night. Best chat I've had on here..
[20:30] <DanielBSC> Hey... how come CLEO who knows all didn't predict today with her taro cards and warn the defense department hmmmm?
[20:30] <Spammi> I couldn't victimize innocent people though because of what extremists do...we all bleed.
[20:30] <Pame> I have an appt with a man tomorrow here in Atlanta.....his name is Bilal.....he is a Moslem.....
[20:30] <Spammi> But....I do understand...anger is high in many of us.
[20:30] <MountainMonk> Zeno, lol, that was the first night I remember seeing you.
[20:30] <fleep> DanielBSC, today scared Miss Cleo right out of her accent, if she was in NY
[20:30] <Zeno> 12 Nostradamus (1503-1566)
[20:30] <Spammi> Pame...I'd be kind of afraid to go.
[20:30] <DanielBSC> fleep LOL!
[20:30] <bohunky> JGM36: yeah, Ino but I didn't see no ball of fire come out of the center of the earth today. maybe tomorrow or maybe a mistranslation
[20:30] <Zeno> Centuries I, Quatrain 78:
[20:30] <Zeno> "D'vn Chef vieillard naiƒtra ƒens hebet¸, Degenerant par ƒ³auoir & par armes."*
[20:30] <T-DES> wb mac
[20:30] <Pame> Spammi, no.....I'm not going to be like that.....
[20:31] <JGM36> Hi mac
[20:31] <pagenmystic> 2 T-DES better than you all "condolances" to all yanks in the house
[20:31] <mac> howdy t-des and JGM36
[20:31] <Havoc> Pame: Could you give him a message?
[20:31] <Zeno> 12("To an old leader will be born an idiot heir, weak both in knowledge and in war.") I. 78.* (Some ungenerous souls think this quatrain refers to two birds named Bush solely because the younger Bush has a bit of trouble with the language. Codswallop!)
[20:31] <MountainMonk> two people rescued
[20:31] <Pame> Havoc NO....
[20:31] <bohunky> maybe center of the earth really meant 86th floor
[20:31] <Spammi> Pame, I wouldn't be scared of him...or not go because he is Moslem. I would be afraid he'd be a target after today :<
[20:31] <snaily> well i am going to go hope tomorrow is peaceful
[20:31] <mac> people already lined up at gas stations in austin tx (the idiots)
[20:31] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> i hope this incident does not result in a wave of domestic repression like pearl harbor did.
[20:31] <Spammi> snaily, you take care.
[20:31] <T-DES> pagenmystic....thanks for your kind comments....
[20:31] <Zeno> 4 Now THAT is a propheocy!
[20:31] <LaDiva> mac, goodness, and good evening
[20:31] <MountainMonk> well, 2 is better than none I guess.
[20:31] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> that would be tragic.
[20:31] <mac> howdy LaDiva
[20:31] <Skullhunter> Um, they also thought Nostradamus predicted a great force of destruction from the skies. In 1999. Sorry, the French fell for that rubbish during WW2, I'm not buying it.
[20:31] <Pame> 800 dead at the Pentagon.....
[20:31] <Zeno> wanna talk Nostrodamus?
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[20:32] <boiler> mac,,whats the price down there?
[20:32] <Spammi> They're lined up in Wisconsin too (bigger idiots...less likely to happen, especially in our little rural area here)
[20:32] <bohunky> old leader....back in Rome?
[20:32] <LaDiva> Nostradamus......1-800-No-Damus
[20:32] <Roger_A> http://www.cuddlecards.com/peace.html
[20:32] <kitty> Zeno did you know Nostrdamus was a physician famous for treating the plague and a secret jew, to otherwise he would have been killed
[20:32] <mac> boiler, thats a little unfair since I filled up about noon with diesel at $1.45 a gal
[20:32] <MountainMonk> LaDiva, lol
[20:32] <boiler> mac,,oh ok
[20:32] <Zeno> kitty yep and he was an astrologer too :)
[20:32] <JGM36> Hi Jalander
[20:32] <smirks> Clinton would hve bombed someone already.... bush is cvalling in the lawyers
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[20:32] <kitty> and many other disciplines of the time
[20:32] <Pame> Smirks we don't know that for sure.....
[20:32] <Jalander> gasoline is $6.00 a gallon in some places... prosecutors are looking into charges of price gouging
[20:33] <Zeno> 12 who wants to play FlingTheCow?
[20:33] <MountainMonk> 60lakoya60eno, he was an alchemist mainly,
[20:33] <mac> boiler, but i filled up because my tank was almost empty not because of panic
[20:33] <T-DES> Jalander, hello!
[20:33] <MountainMonk> oops
[20:33] <JimL> Hey STeven!
[20:33] <Spammi> Someone was stopped in NJ.
[20:33] <Aero> no explosives
[20:33] <fleep> smirks that is conjecture, we need to know who the target is first
[20:33] <asa250> Bush has to go confer with the cows...get advice
[20:33] <Stevetalk> Hey Jim!
[20:33] <Spammi> No explosives in the van.
[20:33] <smirks> Pame.. well... the world saw his swift responses...
[20:33] <Spammi> FBI
[20:33] <Jalander> smirks how pathetic can you get? Bush has done nothing wrong be an american and support the country geesh
[20:33] <mac> lets love each other and hate islam
[20:33] <Stevetalk> smirks, hiya
[20:33] <T-DES> wb Stevetalk
[20:33] <DanielBSC> Kitty.. Nostradamus' parents were Jewish. He was baptised and raised Christian by his parents to avoid persecution. Nostradamus was a staunch Catholic. His name means "Our Lady" in honor of the Blessed Mother.
[20:33] <pagenmystic> 2 T-DES our armed forces are also staying on high alert and we are getting blood drives going and emerg. aid
[20:33] <JGM36> Hi Stevetalk, Mudd
[20:33] <smirks> hey Stevetalk :)
[20:33] <kitty> i know
[20:33] <LaDiva> mac, let's hate the madmen, not all Muslims.
[20:33] <Stevetalk> Hey JGM36
[20:33] <Mudd> hello JGM36
[20:34] <Pame> As much as it is hard to say this......I have to put my faith (as limited as it is) in what the government is doing.....
[20:34] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> he has to, asa, cattle are an important voting block for the democrats
[20:34] * smirks .. "we will standdown our enemies"... not exactly a "swift response"
[20:34] <mac> LaDiva, i know i probably should not have said that, but does islam preach hatred for america?
[20:34] <kitty> he was not a devout by what i've heard a secret jew
[20:34] <LaDiva> mac, no, it does not.
[20:34] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> if he could peel them off, it would help at election time
[20:34] <LaDiva> mac, but the fanatics do
[20:34] <MountainMonk> Pame, and why do you feel you 'have ' to do that?
[20:34] <asa250> LaDiva...the fanatic muslims are not that different from the fanatic CC.....only more violent
[20:34] <T-DES> pagenmystic...hmmmm...I wonder how many countries are on "high alert" this day........
[20:34] <Pame> MM, because President Clinton said to......
[20:34] * smirks .. fact.. they feared clinton... they do not fear this goober
[20:34] <LaDiva> asa250, I agree that fanaticism is a danger in all religions......however, in this case, the extremists add the element of martyrdom.
[20:35] <bohunky> can't a person grieve....do we have to get back into partisan bickering so quickly?
[20:35] <Havoc> mac: Muslims are evil cowards. Dancing in the streets right now. I'd love to see them enjoying a nuclear winter.
[20:35] <MountainMonk> Pame, lol, and why do you feel you have to do what Big Dog says?
[20:35] <kitty> I think that has truth to it smirks
[20:35] <Cali_Gal> Who feared Clinton?
[20:35] <Pame> MM, cause I trusted him.....
[20:35] <Jalander> EIGHT HUNDRED CONFIRMED DEAD AT THE PENTAGON ALONE!!!!!!
[20:35] <smirks> kitty... I just read what I see...i don't make the facts
[20:35] <bohunky> Cali-Gal: women
[20:35] <mac> havoc, yes, i am so full of anger now, a few nukes in that part of the world would take out a few of the fanatics
[20:35] <MountainMonk> Pame, and you really believes he has confidence in this crew?
[20:35] <DanielBSC> bohunky!! Yes!!
[20:35] <Cali_Gal> bohunky..lol..I agree..that's a fact.
[20:35] <Pame> MM, I don't know.....
[20:35] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> yes jalander, we know. why are you telling us again?
[20:35] <Skullhunter> Well, there's the pot calling the kettle black.
[20:35] <Glenlivet> Jalander .. Bush got the war he wanted
[20:35] <LaDiva> Havoc, and Christians are what??? You can't brand a BILLION people by the acts of some.
[20:35] <Havoc> mac: I agree.
[20:36] <pagenmystic> 2 Gee I wonder T-DES
[20:36] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> take a vallium.
[20:36] <smirks> we won't use nukes..we were not nuked
[20:36] <Jalander> Glenlivet how pathetic can you get? Bush has done nothing wrong be an american and support the country geesh
[20:36] <Spammi> We don't need nukes.
[20:36] <DanielBSC> Amen LaDiva
[20:36] <mac> does islam teach suicide missions for the glory of allah?
[20:36] <Havoc> LaDiva: I just did. And I'm not apologizing for it.
[20:36] <bohunky> New York thruway's closed man!
[20:36] <Spammi> We do need to retaliate, once we know for sure who did this.
[20:36] <Zeno> smirks we weren't nuked in WWII. why not now?
[20:36] <LaDiva> Havoc, of course you won't.
[20:36] <Jalander> Spammi why not use nukes? we have lost enuf lives in this
[20:36] <Havoc> LaDiva: Face reality.
[20:36] <MountainMonk> Pame, ok, let me say this, he is being a Statesman, like his wife today. The old 'rally 'round the flag boys'. Feel free to rally.
[20:36] <Glenlivet> Jalander ... I am an American ... and a patrotic American will never support our installed dictator.
[20:36] <JGM36> What did Russia learn from Chernobyl? One thing they learned is, they are downwind from all of their neighbors... if they nuke someone, they get fallout.
[20:36] <LaDiva> Havoc, I face it daily.
[20:36] <Pame> Why hasn't Martial Law been declared?
[20:36] <mac> I bet Yassar Arafat is shaking in his boots now
[20:36] <Pame> MM, right now, that's all we've got....
[20:36] <Zeno> Pame, Congress was closed today
[20:36] <Jalander> Glenlivet get out of the country then
[20:36] <asa250> Jalander...Bush has been on vacation for a month...his people in charge have been campaigning and ignoring the threats......face facts
[20:36] <LaDiva> Havoc, next time a fundy Christian goes off his nut, I should condemn a billion Christians?
[20:36] <Havoc> LaDiva: Generalities are fine for me in a time like this.
[20:37] <smirks> Zee... no one is invading...trying to take over the world...just collapse our financial system
[20:37] <Cali_Gal> Glenlivet, I guess you're fighting a personal war...sheesh.
[20:37] <kitty> nukes are bad for allies you never know how much damage for how long
[20:37] <aalfred> mac..isn't there a long history of that kind of thing...and the belief that if a moslem man dies that way he will be in paradise with 72 virgins?
[20:37] <Pame> Zeno yes I know.....
[20:37] <bohunky> Feel free to retaliate swiftly & firmly
[20:37] <LaDiva> Havoc, I'm sure they are.
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[20:37] <Jalander> asa plenty of room in moslems countries for you too
[20:37] <Zeno> Pame doesn't Congress have to decalre martial law?
[20:37] <Skullhunter> Define irony: man calling others evil cowards and then calling for the incineration of hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and the eventual painful and protracted death of thousands more from radiation-related syndromes.
[20:37] <Pame> crazylady WB.....
[20:37] <Melodyy> CRAZYLADY!!!! :))
[20:37] <Havoc> LaDiva: Next time a fundy Christian flies into a few buildings --- I'll join you.
[20:37] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> JGM, i thought what russia learned from chernobyl was to quit saying 'containment vessels? what are those?'
[20:37] * smirks Zeno.. is our financial system enough of a reason to use nukes?.. I don't think so
[20:37] <Spammi> aalfred, if it is, it's a very dangerous (and strange) religion.
[20:37] <T-DES> crazylady, howdy!
[20:37] <Pame> Zeno, no the President does.....it suspends the Constitution and Congress, too.....
[20:37] <Veritas> hey crazylady
[20:37] <DanielBSC> CRAZYLADY... It's Daniel.... Haven't talked to you in months... How Are You!!!
[20:37] <Spammi> Hey, crazy
[20:37] <Zeno> Pame oh ok
[20:37] <mac> aalfred i try (at times) to love all peoples, but my love for fanatic islams is a bit small at the moment
[20:37] <asa250> Jalander...my family was probably here before yours and did more to establish this country .....I probably have done more too...think I'll stay...thank you.
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[20:38] <Zeno> smirks. oil was enough reason to use FAE in Iraq.
[20:38] <LaDiva> mac, agreed on that point.
[20:38] <Pame> 300 firefighters are missing.....this man is crying on CBS......
[20:38] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, brave new world indeed!
[20:38] <crazylady> DanielBSC not doing good tonight son is in the army and I have no idea where he is right now :)
[20:38] <Zeno> smirks, and firebombing would probably kill more anyway
[20:38] <crazylady> DanielBSC how are you and your 200 kids and wife
[20:38] <Spammi> Pame, yeah, poor man :<
[20:38] <smirks> Zeno .. oil was enough of a reason to molilize...
[20:38] <Jalander> <---- can't believe the sick people in here that would dare say one word against the president time to close ranks... ever hear how people who hated FDR rallied to support him after Pearl Harbor? but I guess that was too much to expect from the left wing democratic hate mongers
[20:38] <bohunky> Zeno: or maybe our friends in Kuwait who sell us the oil
[20:38] <Cali_Gal> asa250..lol..are you really resorting to a 'we were here first,' type of argument?
[20:38] <MountainMonk> nuke 'em. What a bunch of crock....
[20:38] <DanielBSC> Crazylady.. My family will hold him in our prayers tonight...
[20:38] <Zeno> Bot there are no American friends in Kuwait. It is a monarchy
[20:38] <LaDiva> Jalander, please, plenty of folks blaming this on Clinton, too.....we see the absurdity.
[20:38] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> i've turned off the news, i'm watching 'the man from planet x' on turner classic movies.
[20:39] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, WERE...those nuts aren't saying much now.
[20:39] <mac> Kuwait should help us get Bin Ladin
[20:39] <LaDiva> Cali_Gal, and hopefully won't.
[20:39] <DanielBSC> Crazy... funny you should mention that... you know that my wife miscarried last Feb.... Well, we got the good news two weeks ago.... another on the way... :-)
[20:39] <bohunky> Jalander: ranks are closing....just the petty & worthless are being weeded out...fortunate
[20:39] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, it's sickeningly ridiculous. "How dare they kill civilians, let's nuke them all and let them watch their children die retching up blood!" But the irony is lost on them, I'm afraid.
[20:39] <Glenlivet> Jalander ... BIG DIFFERENCE ... FDR WAS LEGALLY ELECTED ... BUSH IS AN INSTALLED DICTATOR
[20:39] <asa250> CAli...that was in response to a you can live in a moslem country comment...fitting
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[20:39] * smirks .. people sayig this is the most tragic day in american history probably forget gettysburg
[20:39] <M_Ca> Fact: 1/3 of ALL us Financial transaction used to be funnelled thru the World Trade towers....
[20:39] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, I'm watching others blame Bush... STILL doing so. That's Patriotism?
[20:39] <Jalander> MountainMonk I believe we are in our rights to nuke Afghanistan today... no reason at all not to... they have harbored and supported an avowed enemy of america.. one who has already been indicted for killing dozens of americans
[20:39] <bohunky> LaDiva: don't think too many are blaming this on Clinton
[20:39] <Spammi> Now it's more than 300 firefighters missing :<
[20:39] <MountainMonk> Kuwatis are too busy hanging out in their hot tubs and buffing their Philipino maids.
[20:39] <pagenmystic> 2 Cali_Gal maybe he should crawl back under his rock with a bottle of glenlivet
[20:40] <LaDiva> Worst day of casualties thus far in American history - Antietam, 22,000 or so.
[20:40] <mac> Glenlivet good god, there is a major tragedy in our nation tonight and you guys are arguing about bush being president
[20:40] <Zeno> smirks were you alice when JFK was assassinated?
[20:40] <crazylady> DanielBSC OWNDERFUL!!!!! I just got my first grandbaby!!! August 23rd and another on the way in December
[20:40] <Jalander> Skullhunter not in here they aren't look at these sick fools say negaitve things about Bush
[20:40] <T-DES> hello, goodolemr!
[20:40] * smirks .. thousands of men walked into fields of crossfire there... instant death
[20:40] <asa250> Jalander...you want to nuke the same country Bush gave 100 million to this year?
[20:40] <Havoc> LaDiva: Unfortunately we will far surpass that.
[20:40] <smirks> Zeno -- I was 3
[20:40] <LaDiva> Cali_Gal, the time hardly matters - earlier today, it was blame-Clinton. Bad idea on either end.
[20:40] <JGM36> "alive"
[20:40] <boiler> Jalander,,,why did we just give them millions of dollars then?
[20:40] <T-DES> BigBadWolf, hey there!
[20:40] <Cali_Gal> pagenmystic, people who talk like that show themselves for their weak minds.
[20:40] <DanielBSC> Congrats..... its now Gramma Crazylady!!!
[20:40] <Mudd> any further word from Saddam on today's events.?
[20:40] <MountainMonk> Jalander, a 200 mile shared border with the Republic of Russia, comes to mind as a reason not to. :)
[20:40] <Zeno> smirks THAT was a bad day
[20:40] <Skullhunter> Cali_Gal, patriotisim doesn't equal blind loyalty. Otherwise, you'd have to count every single American who spoke ill of Clinton as a seditious traitor, since he too once held the office that Bush now holds.
[20:40] <BigBadWolf> Hey, T-DES
[20:40] <Glenlivet> mac ... considering that Bush foreign policy created this tragedy .. why not?
[20:40] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, I don't see why it should continue.
[20:40] <smirks> Zeno.. yes..
[20:40] <crazylady> DanielBSC LOL yep
[20:40] <MountainMonk> 2000
[20:40] <Jalander> asa250 you have blabbed that in here for months but have yet to post a source you can put up or shut up
[20:40] <Spammi> Skull, pretty hypocritical, no?
[20:40] <pagenmystic> 2 you bet
[20:40] <Stevetalk> again, this has been in the planning stages long before bush took office
[20:40] <Stevetalk> ackack
[20:40] <mac> Glenlivet how did his policy create this event?
[20:40] <MountainMonk> Jalander, a 2000 mile shared border with the Republic of Russia, comes to mind as a reason not to. :)
[20:41] <LaDiva> Cali_Gal, why did it continue this morning? People may express their opinions, within the standards guidelines.
[20:41] <Cali_Gal> Skullhunter, but to continue to blame Bush for this? That's Nonsense, and quite laughable.
[20:41] <Jalander> MountainMonk timne to tell russia how the world works... it works because america makes it work...
[20:41] <mac> Glenlivet, you certain it wasn't Bush Sr you meant?
[20:41] <Spammi> Hi Notty
[20:41] <crazylady> hi NottyHead
[20:41] <asa250> Jalander...that is the first time I have posted that....and you don't tell me what to do..
[20:41] <tlb> Putin has endorsed a strong response to the attack
[20:41] <Skullhunter> Spammi, I've been seeing a disgusting level of hypocrisy from both sides all day.
[20:41] * Zeno notes the jingoism
[20:41] <bohunky> intelligence was prevented from pursuing Laden....not no more
[20:41] <T-DES> howdy, NottyHead!
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hi Spammi & crazylady
[20:41] <JGM36> Hi NottyHead
[20:41] <Glenlivet> mac ... by refusing to get involved in world affairs ... and his religious policies which have only flamed the hatred of America around the world.
[20:41] <LaDiva> NottyHead, welcome
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hey T-DES
[20:41] <mac> Bush has not been in office long enough to have a foreign policy Glenlivet
[20:41] <Spammi> Skull, I have too. I think some of it is grief.
[20:41] * Mudd notes Zeno's noting of jingoism.
[20:41] <Havoc> Jalander: Agreed. Russia AND China should either support our nuclear attacks or suffer attacks themselves.
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hi JGM36
[20:41] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, both sides were blaming. I'm kinda surprised anyone is still spouting that kind of bunk at this time...but you're right. They have the right to their opinions.
[20:41] <MountainMonk> Jalander, I'm sure they will appreciate that sentiment as radiocative clouds stream over there countryside and cities. :)
[20:41] <NottyHead> Hey LaDiva
[20:41] <LaDiva> mac, when is he planning on getting one?
[20:42] <Zeno> Hi dear Mudd
[20:42] <Jalander> asa250 you are a traitor stabbing the leader of the country in the back when we should be looking for who did this... be very ashamed
[20:42] <Mudd> Some stuff, eh Zeno?
[20:42] <Skullhunter> Cali_Gal, we have the freedom to do so. At least, we should have the freedom to do so without being branded as traitors.
[20:42] <mac> LaDiva probably had one this morning about 9ET
[20:42] <LaDiva> mac, Bush, a foreign policy, today? LOL
[20:42] <Zeno> Mudd, I thought nothing would top the Mariners...I was wrong..:(
[20:42] <Glenlivet> Jalander .. America has no leader ... we have a Republican installed dictator
[20:42] <asa250> Jalander....and when and where did you serve.....I was in Vietnam when bush was awol....
[20:42] <LaDiva> "Isolate, isolate, isolate," maybe.
[20:42] * smirks .. was hoping 7-11 at 17th and R would be open.... hmmmm
[20:42] <mac> LaDiva, its not one the arabs are gonna like
[20:42] <pagenmystic> 2 Brianna !!!!! darlin' I almost didn't see you up there
[20:43] <aalfred> Glenlivet..that is what is scariest. We have a crisis and no real president
[20:43] <Jalander> asa250 yeah sure I bet you were hauling typewriters around for gore the whole time
[20:43] <Mudd> There ya go, Zeno...slippin in a plug for AMerica's best Baseball team. :)
[20:43] <MountainMonk> smirks, don't you hate it when they take their name seriously? :)
[20:43] <Melodyy> This is probably not the best time to be bashing the President about partisan political ideology. Thousands died, today. Hardly the time to be bashing the president.
[20:43] <Zeno> Mudd they want to bomb laden yet they don't know who did it. VERY 4 revealing
[20:43] <Jalander> Glenlivet when you find ANY count gore won let me know...
[20:43] <mac> aalfred no real pres as in not elected or as in not a human being?
[20:43] <Cali_Gal> Melodyy, that's where their "heart" is...lol.. it's rather sad.
[20:43] <Glenlivet> aalfred ... don't be shocked if Bush doesn't declare martial law and become a full fledged dictator
[20:43] <LaDiva> Actually, perhaps in bad taste, but each gets their opinion.
[20:43] <Jalander> Melodyy it confirms the incredible sickness of the pathetic left
[20:43] <Mudd> Well...Zeno, I"m one to think that bin laden had some hand in this...
[20:43] <smirks> MountainMonk.. yes... they don't have a lock on eh door, though...I'm thinking about driving over..it's only 34 blocks
[20:43] <LaDiva> Jalander, give it a break....it was the all-Clinton-bash earlier.
[20:43] <DanielBSC> niters everyone... gonna try to make a better night from a yucky day. I'll pop in (like Aunt Clara) again sometime soon. Remember... spread peace... use words if necessary!!!
[20:44] <Cali_Gal> Jalander, right...lack of focus.
[20:44] <bohunky> Zeno: Laden announced his attack on US interests. Laden trained pilots for Boeing planes that were used
[20:44] <Skullhunter> I mean, come on people, is this Soviet Russia? We have to denigrate and crush everyone that doesn't form up and march with the rest of the nation? Screw that. If you take that position, then you'd better never, ever knock socialisim or communisim again, since you're embracing the most poisonous aspect of it, blind allegiance to the State.
[20:44] <Zeno> Jalander, bohunky I find your desire to kill someone , anyone (as long as it is an Arab) very recealing.
[20:44] <Melodyy> It's in bad taste and revealing, too, of a lack of taste and character.
[20:44] <Pame> Oh for crissake......you can dislike Bush but still feel terrible for the whole country.....
[20:44] <LaDiva> Melodyy, ON EITHER SIDE
[20:44] <asa250> Glenlivet....when the market reopens....it could be a disaster....an margin calls.....
[20:44] <M_Ca> We don't need a missile defense...we need a jetliner defense shield
[20:44] <Havoc> I notice the liberals are not concerned today about education, healthcare, or social security. Interesting. Maybe they can understand now what the REAL function of our Federal Government is.
[20:44] <Zeno> boiler you know who did it now?
[20:44] <MountainMonk> Melodyy, your President, not mine. Let's get that straight. I'll give hiom some distance now, because this definately rates as an emergency. I expect him to do virtually nothing though.
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[20:44] <Jalander> Glenlivet well if you didn;t know this... clinton passed the laws that would allow Bush to do it... including the ability to take personal propoerty in time of crisis... thank you bill clinton
[20:44] <mac> its time for nukes on Laden's camps
[20:44] <bohunky> Zeno: Laden announced in June that it was time to stiked US & Israel where it hurts
[20:44] <LaDiva> But I'm seeing more of the sense of a lack of leadership than actual blame on Bush.
[20:44] <boiler> Zeno,,,did what?
[20:44] <Glenlivet> asa250 ... it will be a melt down .. foreign markets were down today by as much as 10%
[20:44] <Melodyy> MountainMonk Oh. I didn't realize you weren't a citizen. My apologies.
[20:44] <Cali_Gal> LaDiva, what would you do as President at this moment?
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Session Start: Tue Sep 11 21:56:14 2001
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[21:56] * ML sees the childish slander continue from the Nov election losers
[21:56] <Camille> Hi TDES
[21:56] <Brianna> float, i listened to you spew hatred no matter what with clinton. how does it feel now its your boy?
[21:56] <GeeWhiz> cosmo, I have long thought we need to toss them to the wind, but even that will not guarantee our security from terrorism
[21:56] <T-DES> howdy, Zeno!
[21:56] <cosmo> float, you call liberals cheap? I thought liberals always wanted money?
[21:56] <Zeno> Back you old wardogs
[21:56] <Roger_A> hi Zeno
[21:56] <Brianna> Hi Camille
[21:56] <float> Locke...but instead you take the time to attack Bush as if he is ht eissue.
[21:56] <maggiejo> Camille !!
[21:56] <Zeno> hi Roger_A
[21:56] <Brianna> wb Zeno
[21:56] <Zeno> hi T-DES
[21:56] <Zeno> hey Brianna
[21:56] <Roger_A> Camille!!
[21:56] <T-DES> boiler...do you have a url?
[21:56] <maggiejo> zeno !!
[21:56] <PlagueRat> bohunky - I was wiling to give Bush his chance... he's blowing it... he ran around like a chicken, and when he finally returned to his office he gave a weak reading of a poor speach. I am UNINSPIRED. I detested Reagan, but I could recognize that he was inspirational and could give great rallying speaches. We needed a man like Reagan in the WH today, not a cowardly drunk who can't even speak well.
[21:56] <T-DES> wb Bubble
[21:56] <Camille> Hi Brianna and maggiejo and Roger!
[21:56] <Zeno> maggiejo!
[21:56] <Cal> T-DES I am hopeful that in her phone calls to Ted that she was able to pass along some info that may be helpful in the investigation
[21:56] <Glenlivet> float .. I suppose you are in total shock ... you have just discovered that people refused to accept a dictator ... no one will rally behind Bush
[21:56] <maggiejo> Bubble Hi
[21:56] <Brianna> Hi the real Bubble
[21:56] <boiler> T-DES,,,yes you want?
[21:56] <MountainMonk> ML, are those GOPers still complaining they got caught stealing the election? What a bunch of sore losers!
[21:56] <Bubble> hi T-DES
[21:56] <float> Brianna......did I ever attack Clinton for sticking up for America....were we attacked like this?
[21:56] <cosmo> GeeWhiz, there is a reason that so many terrorists are after us. the same reason why so many hated the English Empire in the past.
[21:56] <Writer9554> ML nobody cares about the GOP and its poor leadership....
[21:57] <bohunky> it is easy to not the unpatriotic, unAmerican, the petty, & worthless in times like these. Weeds to be pulled....yes, they come back but never produce
[21:57] <float> Glenlivet....this is not about Bush
[21:57] <T-DES> boiler....send me the URL by prv msg...
[21:57] <Bubble> hi brianna (real Bubble?)
[21:57] <Locke> float: well perhaps you should deftly steer the conversation in another direction, by presenting a thought-provoking alternative topic
[21:57] <float> It's about America.
[21:57] <Zeno> float, sure you did. But I don't have the logs.
[21:57] <asa250> dmoore....but with Bush....and Rumsfeld, who has worked on NMD for 7 years, NMD has been the #1 priority of the Defense Dept....at the expense of all else....including terrorism.
[21:57] <bohunky> easy to note
[21:57] <Brianna> float, think back. you never did care about anything then
[21:57] * ^imagi^ PR You are one sick puppy
[21:57] <Locke> I find that these direct attacks rarely change anyone's mind
[21:57] <float> Locke....how about a national tragedy?
[21:57] <GeeWhiz> so many terrorist are after us because we do not have the soviet empire to keep them in line
[21:57] <ML> MountainMonk if you think that then you need your head examined
[21:57] <Glenlivet> float ... but is is ... or rather Bush's inept leadership
[21:57] <dmoore> ML--Bush is not my cup of tea, but that's beside the point. These people weren't attacking Bush, they were attacking America and their twisted view of what it stands for.
[21:57] <MountainMonk> float, than why don't you stop making it about that sniveling little twit bush?
[21:57] <Zeno> omagi, but PlagueRat is MY sick puppy!
[21:57] <float> Brianna.....I never attacked Clinton for defending America
[21:57] <PlagueRat> imagi - were YOU inspired by taht speach??? I found it tepid... boring...
[21:57] <T-DES> Cal...yeah..i think she is going to be one of the heroes of today's events...
[21:57] <bohunky> Locke: think Ben Laden's a pretty nice guy?
[21:57] <ML> dmoore no disagreement here
[21:57] <Writer9554> dmore wtg
[21:57] <float> MountainMonk...you guys are
[21:57] <Brianna> lol
[21:57] <^imagi^> PR You are one sick puppy
[21:58] <willow> hey camille!
[21:58] <MountainMonk> float, Democrats?
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[21:58] <Locke> float: yes, let's talk about it. I think anarchists may be involved. I think we shouldn't rush to assume that it is bin laden.
[21:58] <cosmo> imagi, I thought you liked Reagan?
[21:58] <Bubble> hi maggggggggie...
[21:58] <cherie> nite everyone
[21:58] <Camille> float, we need leadership...not a Burger King trainee
[21:58] <float> Camille....shut up
[21:58] <Camille> Hi willow!
[21:58] <^imagi^> cosmo I do..so what?
[21:58] <maggiejo> bye cherei !
[21:58] <maggiejo> ie
[21:58] <Brianna> exactly Camille!
[21:58] <cherie> maggiejo...nite...
[21:58] <float> Camille...maybe you can get a job with Osama...
[21:58] <Writer9554> wtg Camille
[21:58] <bohunky> Locke: what proof or hint do u have to base that thought on?
[21:58] <Pame> Compare Bush's speech to FDR's or Reagan's fire.....do you see a difference?
[21:58] * Zeno wonders where Dr Strangelove is when you need him
[21:58] <cosmo> imagi, so why get on PR's case when he is suggesting a reagan would be good at this time?
[21:58] <Locke> I grant that bin laden has already forfeited his life, and we ought to capture and prosecute him, but what I am most concerned about is stopping whoever is behind this.
[21:58] <Pame> CAMILLE!!!!
[21:58] <ML> Locke for example ?
[21:58] <Brianna> lol Pame
[21:58] <float> Pame.....let's judge what Bush does to combat terrorism.
[21:58] <Camille> PAME!!!!!
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[21:58] <BigBadWolf> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=54ab4d241c34e0cc ---- That is the 911 prediction thread
[21:59] <bohunky> Locke: who is behind this.....any clues whatsoever?...any?
[21:59] <Camille> float, incidents like this is why we need to have qualified Presidents
[21:59] <GeeWhiz> it would only take one bold act to send the message. Abduct someone like Kadafi and mail him back to Libya one piece at a time. No state would harbor these nuts then
[21:59] <Zeno> float, well from his past exploits as a fighter pilot. we don't have a lot to look forward to.
[21:59] <bohunky> Locke: what anarchist group?...faction?...individual?
[21:59] <dmoore> Writer--I'm angry. I'm angry at the murderers, whoever they are. The rest is beside the point. I wish the best for our entire government, elected and permanent, as they get to the bottom of it.
[21:59] <PlagueRat> imagi - you recognize Reagan's ability to give STIRRING speaches... you quote him all the time. Reagan wouldn't have read such a boring speach in a monotone. Reagan would have spoken from his heart and RALLIED the country. Bush's performace will be forgotten .... he's no Reagan... he ain't even his own Daddy... and that's not much.
[21:59] <Pame> Float, he'll fly around the country landing here and there.......screaming "Don't make me go out there!".....
[21:59] <Keystone^> Float. Exactly, Will Bush weaken the CIA and FBI like Clinton did?
[21:59] <Glenlivet> float .. if Bush repeats his "leadership" ... he'll apologize to bin Lauden and send him a check for 25 mil
[21:59] <cosmo> LOL Zeno :)
[21:59] <ML> Camille like Gore ? LOL
[21:59] <Locke> bohunky: I studied the anarchists a few weeks ago. They have sophisticated technology, and they too were hinting that "something big" was going to happen soon. They hate world trade and capitalism and the military/industrial complex. So, they have motive, method, and opportunity, especially as many of them are normal-looking americans.
[22:00] * smirks .. seriously...chocolate and reese's run (for willow) to 7-11... let's test the limits of today... :))... brb
[22:00] <smirks> is afk
[22:00] <Locke> added to this, I believe bin laden would be gloating if he had done it
[22:00] <Brianna> Zeno, he saved texas from the north vietnamese
[22:00] <Veritas> oh, Bush will combat "terrorism alright"; he'll call martial law, then confiscate the guns and we'll have no defense against The terrorists
[22:00] <BigBadWolf> Reagan was the best president, I agree PlagueRat
[22:00] <cosmo> Who woke up Keystone^? Go sit in the corner.
[22:00] <asa250> Keystone...do you mean, will Bush take some of the CIA resourses from drug dealing and put them on anti terrorism?
[22:00] <Zeno> cosmo with our luck Bush will think he is attacking Afghanistan and end up in the Congo
[22:00] <Locke> it's only a theory, but I find it disturbing that to have an alternative theory such as this is considered to be somehow unamerican
[22:00] <GeeWhiz> you are seeing the most over looked success of Clinton today. He rebuilt FEMA from the ground up
[22:00] <bohunky> Locke: ok, u have ur own personal clue....email the Pentagon
[22:00] <dmoore> PlagueRat--in two words: "Who cares?" Everyone knows Bush is no orator. So what?
[22:00] <Zeno> Brianna yeeha!
[22:00] <Camille> ML, Gore would be in control...not dazed
[22:00] <ML> Camille oh yeah ..lol
[22:00] <Zeno> Camille and at least act and look presidential
[22:00] <Writer9554> Veritas DON'T give the dictor any ideas....
[22:01] <Keystone^> Asa, No since Drug money funds Terrorism, Best to take money from Gun Control investigations.
[22:01] <PlagueRat> dmoore - in times of national stress, we need a leader who can pound the bully pulpit and rally the troops.
[22:01] <cosmo> Zeno, woe to him if our people accidently hit an aspirin factory. I'm sure the pubbies will be all over him for that. Ha!
[22:01] <Veritas> Writer9554, he already has them
[22:01] <bohunky> Locke: its not unAmerican....U moreso expressed doubt that Laden had anything to do with it
[22:01] <Zeno> LOL cosmo
[22:01] <BigBadWolf> this isn't a speech class people, this is real life. Some people aren't good talkers. Get over it.
[22:01] <MountainMonk> If shrub had just given the impression that he gave a damn, that these weredn't just more cue cards Hughes was forcing him to read, than maybe he would have inspired 'confidence', at least in the gulllible' as it is, he was a stiff zombied who said essentially nothing. Blair and Chirac were more animated, let alone Sharon.
[22:01] <asa250> Locke....tonite here I have seen two american veterans from Vietnam charged with being unpatriotic....traitors....
[22:01] <Zeno> BigBadWolf the problem though is Bush not only speaks poorly, he thinks poorly too
[22:01] <Brianna> BigBadWolf, or good thinkers. he is a good drinker. i will say that
[22:01] <Locke> bohunky: I just don't understand why he would deny doing it. it's not like doing so would increase his chances of survival
[22:01] * willow wants to hear more statements from the senators, congress persons, etc. to see how our future presidential leaders handle themselves in a crisis
[22:01] <Aero> how can the media keep asking how our mental health is after they show the jets slam into wtc every 3 minutes
[22:02] <cosmo> Zeno, some of these SOB's actually suggested that Clinton purposefully went after that aspirin factory. Oh they opened the door to their own ruination.
[22:02] <Locke> asa250: well, that's bound to happen in a stressful time like this. the important thing is to never lose sight of our right to speak our minds
[22:02] <Brianna> MountainMonk, i agree with you :(
[22:02] <Veritas> Aero, it is called "conditioning the masses"
[22:02] <MountainMonk> Aero, that is unnerving, isn't it?
[22:02] <bohunky> But, if...sniff,sniff...if Bush would've spoken more eloquent...sniff,sniff..ly...or said more...or touched my
[22:02] <PlagueRat> willow - GOOD POINT... this is a great proving ground for future presidential candidates.
[22:02] <BigBadWolf> Bill Clinton was a good talker, in a crooked used car salesman sort of way.
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[22:02] <dmoore> MountainMonk--do you feel any less secure, or less sure that things are being done to get to the bottom of things, because of the speech? I don't like Bush, but his speech didn't change how I feel about the situation one iota.
[22:02] <Zeno> cosmo. the right wingers have poor vision and even worse public relation skills
[22:02] <fleep> Remember the Challenger? Same thing. Relentless repetition.
[22:02] <GeeWhiz> I think that George II did an okay job today. The Secret Service had him in deep protection, but I think he was very deliberate in the design and delivery of his speech. I would have been out in front of the cameras with a shotgun looking for somebody to shoot
[22:02] <Brianna> he didnt seem to give a darn. but then he never has
[22:02] <MountainMonk> Sharon is always 'animated'. :)
[22:02] <Cal> exactly BigBadWolf a liar
[22:02] <Brianna> wb midwest
[22:02] <Pame> bohunky, a HS kid in a first year speech class could have done MUCH better.....
[22:02] * PlagueRat offers T-DES $10 to hit that button again. :)
[22:03] <T-DES> nite PlagueRat
[22:03] <midwest> Brianna, left due to glitches in internet
[22:03] <MountainMonk> dmoore, neither did it I.
[22:03] <T-DES> nite folks
[22:03] <Roger_A> 12 I can see the bumper stickers now. 10 PlagueRat for President!! He will Curl your Tail!
[22:03] <asa250> dmoore....I didn't feel like Bush's speech indicated any definitive action would be taken.....
[22:03] <bohunky> Locke: very simple....HE MADE THE HIT!!!!...It was devastating more than he ever imagined & he now knows he's a dead man
[22:03] <GeeWhiz> nite T\
[22:03] <fleep> nite T-DES
[22:03] <PlagueRat> T-DES - you do that and then LEAVE???
[22:03] <willow> yes, plaguerat, i would like to hear a statement from both Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Dole, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer
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[22:03] <MountainMonk> night T-DES
[22:03] <midwest> T_des...nite
[22:03] <PlagueRat> T-DES - STAY AND SUFFER WITH US
[22:03] <Writer9554> The GOP do not like us downing Bush, but they will be the first to down Hillary when she comes out and speaks... after all she is a senator from NY where it happened.... watch the tables turn and the attacks begin by the GOP when she speaks out.....
[22:03] <Zeno> cal, how soon you forget Bush lies about his criminal past
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[22:03] <MountainMonk> I enjoyed T Des's company tonight. :(
[22:03] <PlagueRat> willow - I know Di Fi made a statement...
[22:03] <dmoore> MountainMonk--then who cares? We spend too much time aiming our guns in the at a gnat when a bear is standing behind us.
[22:03] <Cal> willow hillary was on today and offered nothing
[22:04] <Locke> I thought honestly that Bush's latest speech was very good (for him), with very little fake texas accent, and no "special words", but it was so short
[22:04] <Zeno> willow all women eh?
[22:04] <ML> cosmo no he thougt it was a chemical factory..and we know the rest of the story...oops
[22:04] <float> test
[22:04] <Brianna> Writer9554, thats true.......only they think only we should toe their line
[22:04] <bohunky> Hillary made statement today....zzzzzzzzzzz...Bush was better
[22:04] <GeeWhiz> I have actually been agreeing a lot today with people who I normally think are idiots
[22:04] <willow> oh yeah??? PlagueRat, what about a statement from Hillary Clinton??? this tragedy happened in her own senatorial backyard
[22:04] <Brianna> Cal, same with shrub
[22:04] <Camille> writer, but politicizing Hillary's situation will be ok with the right wingers...I can hear it now
[22:04] <Veritas> did hillary say any kind words about Barbara Olson's death?
[22:04] * Zeno told you months ago we needed background checks and a 5 day waiting period on knives!
[22:04] <Pame> Hillary has made a statement.....
[22:04] <dmoore> Writer--I'll dismiss them, too, then. ;)
[22:04] <Keystone^> Hillary said she saw no danger while she was vacationing in the middle east.
[22:04] <Roger_A> Writer9554, so far, Sen Clinton, Speaker Hastert, Maj. Leader Daschle, Sen Feinstien and others have made statements, and there were no partisan attacks. For that, I'm glad.
[22:04] * willow needs better access to the media during the day
[22:04] <Cal> bohunky he was much better
[22:04] <float> Zeno...hardee har har
[22:04] <midwest> Brianna, what bothers me is what about tomorrow...will this happen again and when and where
[22:04] <MountainMonk> dmoore, I was just being responsive, you are in the right, in the end, the fact that shrub is ineloquent and clueless counts for nothing. We will survive this.
[22:04] <ML> Veritas who cares what she says ?
[22:04] <BigBadWolf> Hillary made a statement on CNN, I thought, eariler, she did ok, I had no problem with her at all
[22:04] <PlagueRat> willow - she may or may not have made a statement .... I was somewhat out of touch most of the day. I stood a Memorial Watch at the fire station from 11 AM to 6 PM....
[22:05] <Zeno> 12 Knives are evil
[22:05] <Cal> Roger even clinton came out today and said that Americans should rally around Bush
[22:05] <Veritas> ML, just curious, don't jump down my neck just because Bush can't keep any campaign promises
[22:05] <bohunky> Cal: yep, even GW can outspeech Hillary....big whoop
[22:05] <Roger_A> BigBadWolf, she made it plain she supported the President, as she should.
[22:05] <Writer9554> bohunky and she will speak more tomorrow and watch what ypou Gopers say then,,, so get used to it if we have to put up with GOP BS, then the GOP can put up with democrats
[22:05] <dmoore> MountainMok--I'm sorry if I seemed to b picking on you. I guess I just expect so much from you. ;)
[22:05] <GeeWhiz> I cannot help but think that in the days ahead we will hear that someone like Donald Trump or that ilk was in the WTC
[22:05] <willow> PlagueRat, i was totally out of touch today...the only media i could get was limited to cnn online
[22:05] <MountainMonk> Hillary sang the praises of the shrub, it was quite entertaining seeing her pledge her loyalty.
[22:05] <asa250> Roger...highly placed politicians have to be nice at times like these....we can tell the trugh
[22:05] <Roger_A> Cal, Yep
[22:05] <asa250> truth
[22:05] <PlagueRat> 2I wish my statements were as important as floats.
[22:05] <Zeno> Roger_A, but she didn't really mean it :)
[22:05] <Roger_A> hehe Zeno
[22:05] <Brianna> thats right. you dish it out, you take it. and quit whinning about it
[22:05] <Roger_A> perhaps she did
[22:05] <bohunky> Writer: Hillary hasn't said anything since Watergate
[22:05] <willow> me too
[22:06] <Keystone^> You can be sure Hillary is very sad about today. She lost a lot of voters when those buildings colasped.
[22:06] <cosmo> Go Brianna :)
[22:06] <MountainMonk> dmoore, like I said, I was responding to another string. In thecend you are right.
[22:06] <Roger_A> 12 NOT ME.
[22:06] <asa250> Rat....get divorced and live like a monk for 10 years....then you will argue with the passion of float
[22:06] <BigBadWolf> Was Gary Condit with the Congress and Senate singing God Bless America today?
[22:06] <Veritas> Keystone^, she doesn't care
[22:06] <PlagueRat> willow - *laugh* Some critics will claim that being reliant on CNN for your news means you are totally ignorant. I won't go that far...
[22:06] <Brianna> lol asa
[22:06] <willow> hehehe asa
[22:06] <midwest> Brianna, you go ....
[22:06] <ML> Veritas 8 months in and that's it ? whew other presidents wouldn't like that kind of chance
[22:06] <Keystone^> Verias, She cares about the Votes she lost.
[22:06] <bohunky> Keystone: not really.....not in WTC
[22:06] <MountainMonk> BigBadWolf, no, he was out partying, knowing he is nolonger a news item.
[22:06] <maggiejo> Hillary made a very fine statement and is going to of course back the President so why can't everyone in here forget the partismanship for just ONE day and act like Americans ?
[22:06] <Veritas> ML, 8 months in and already he's broken his campaign "promises"
[22:06] <willow> PlagueRat, i was a total victim...i couldn't get access to any of the other news outlets, save what i could get from Yahoo....
[22:06] <cosmo> rofl asa250
[22:06] <bohunky> BigBad: I combed the group 3 repeats & didn't see him
[22:07] <ML> Veritas like ?
[22:07] <Zeno> Keystone^, who was the one campaigning when it happened? On guess and you can't say POTUS
[22:07] <dmoore> MountainMonk--that was my attempt at contrition. You are a sensible person and I kinda picked you out of a crowd to be cranky at.
[22:07] <Writer9554> The GOP wants us to united except when it comes to NY senators, then we can be divided....
[22:07] <PlagueRat> asa250 - float got married at 6 years old?????
[22:07] <cosmo> Writer9554, to hell with the GOP
[22:07] <Zeno> MountainMonk that is the second compliment yuo got from a right wing extremist tonight. 12 What are you doing wrong?!!?!
[22:07] <bohunky> maggiejo: I've been trying to do that all day & successful until tonite in here....today's anger overflows on some in here & I apologize
[22:08] <Camille> maggiejo, I think opinions are all over the map today. Nobody can believe it happened and don't know what to really think.....partisan will be far more rigid in the coming days. I predict things will get quite ugly.
[22:08] <Writer9554> cosmo exactly
[22:08] <dmoore> PlagueRat--phew. Talk about your overachievers!
[22:08] <float> unbelievable
[22:08] <MountainMonk> dmoore, we all feel cranky I suspect. Noone to strike at, noway to help or ease the suffering, a world that just seems more and more hostile. You are right to feel as you do, and I blame noone for blowing off steam today. I've done my share, that's for sure. Thanks for your kind words.
[22:08] <float> this is not another 'news' day
[22:08] <bohunky> Intelligence had tails on Ben Laden until about a yr ago
[22:08] <midwest> Camille,,,I believe your right
[22:08] <float> this is America's worst day
[22:08] <GeeWhiz> I would rather here more eyewitnesses and less politicians right now. I want facts, not opinions
[22:08] <cosmo> Camille, yes Shrub will be pushed by his constitutents to act. He's gonna blow it.
[22:08] <float> all you liberals think is 'oh goody'....we get to attack Bush now
[22:08] * Zeno opens a poll. Which would you rather the culprit be: Homegrown or Middle Eastern?
[22:08] <Keystone^> Bohunky, True, Clinton Adm. lost track of Bin ladin.
[22:08] <dmoore> Zeno--if you think I'm a right-wing extremist, you haven't been paying attention.
[22:08] <ML> Zeno well as a leftwing extremist ..hey
[22:09] <MountainMonk> Zeno, alot of rightwingers like me, you've nver noticed that? :)
[22:09] <PlagueRat> float - apart from the fact that you are wrong, you are also full of fertilizer.
[22:09] <Cal> amazing huh float
[22:09] <float> Cal...very
[22:09] <bohunky> Camille: but it shouldn't....the petty partisan bickering does not measure to the tragedy & tasks at hand
[22:09] <Zeno> MountainMonk you're doing something wrong ;)
[22:09] <cosmo> Keystone, and Bush admin never found him.
[22:09] <GeeWhiz> saw first time today the person falling from way up the WTC. So tragic
[22:09] <float> Cal...it indicates how weak they really are.
[22:09] <float> Cal...full of hate, full of spite
[22:09] <Pame> OHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO!......
[22:09] <float> Cal....complete cowards
[22:09] <Pame> NO!
[22:09] <Pame> NOT!
[22:09] <Keystone^> Cosmo, Well they will very soon.
[22:09] <Brianna> float, remind you of anyone?
[22:09] <Roger_A> Zeno, odds are, Middle Eastern. For the apparent financing, and coordination. But I do not profess to know
[22:09] <Bubble> hi Mingching
[22:09] <MountainMonk> Zeno, lol, it's because I'm temperamentally a conservative, just not a Republican. :)
[22:09] <Pame> OMG NO!
[22:09] <Brianna> Hi Mingching
[22:09] <Zeno> 12 Did Eric Rudolph do this?
[22:09] <Mingching> hi Bubble
[22:09] <Glenlivet> float ... the GOP can go to hell as far as I am concerned ... they are responsible for installing our dictator ... and I have no intentions of playing nice any longer.
[22:09] <clay45> float....you can not understand conviction that we really fault bush and his policies for causing this
[22:09] <bohunky> cosmo: Sr?....yeah, always had a hard time w/ him
[22:09] <maggiejo> bohunky no need for you to apologise, those who cannot unite as a people for the most devastating day in America's history, need to apologize to their country imo.
[22:09] <PlagueRat> float - just keep saying those things and eventually you may even convince yourself that you are better than SOMEBODY....
[22:10] <float> Hi Mingching
[22:10] <float> Brianna...yes...Clinton
[22:10] <float> your hero
[22:10] <maggiejo> Mingching !!
[22:10] <Mingching> Float
[22:10] <Camille> cosmo, Bush has to be strong and not let national emotions take over...but I don't have any clue that he is a strong enough leader to dodge such a dangerous bullet. This is the ultimate test of Bush.
[22:10] <Zeno> Roger_A, I was trying to add up how much a dozen knives and a Microsoft Flight sim cost. Not a lot...:(
[22:10] <Mingching> maggiejo
[22:10] <Cal> hey Mingching
[22:10] <MountainMonk> I'm with Roger_A, probably Middle Eastern, but lets hold our cards, we made that mistake before
[22:10] <Brianna> float, i meant yourself
[22:10] <Mingching> hey Cal
[22:10] <float> Brianna...how would you know?
[22:10] <Veritas> ML, like he's "pro-life", yet slyly gets by that and goes along with embryonic stem cell research. Plus, that will extend beyond his "limits", because they can extend the lines.
[22:10] <bohunky> maggiejo: I apologize for them....Our country needs us united
[22:10] <cosmo> Exactly Camille, and I'm afraid he will want to "proove himself" and go off half cocked.
[22:10] <GeeWhiz> That microsoft sim is supposed to be so realistic you can log it as sim time
[22:10] <Writer9554> maggiejo people do not need to applogize for speaking out against an appointed presdient
[22:11] <float> cosmo......and if he does not?
[22:11] <PlagueRat> float - the death of 20,000 people IS A TRAGEDY... the country needs to solve the problem. But that doesn't erase the fact that Bush has filed to act like a leader today, and that simply emphasizes how badly we got took.
[22:11] <Brianna> float becuase you have been so hate filled. so willing to hurt anyone who didnt think Your way
[22:11] <Zeno> Gearry no doubt
[22:11] <Roger_A> Zeno, true, but the organization of such an effort is not easy, and I don't see any home grown groups with either the capability, or the motivation, for such an attack.
[22:11] <cosmo> float, no. Wait until you know where to shoot.
[22:11] <bohunky> maggiejo: I'll kick their a**e* later ;-)
[22:11] <ML> Glenlivet then maybe you should try some valium ?
[22:11] <float> Brianna..who have I hurt?
[22:11] <float> Brianna am I the issue now?
[22:11] <float> PlagueRat..he's my leader
[22:11] <Brianna> Hi Obscene
[22:11] <Mingching> obxscene
[22:11] <MountainMonk> GeeWhiz, it's ok, I recreated JFK2s last flight plan, but had to use a Cessna, so couldn't learn anything from it. Instrument were ok at duck in my sim.
[22:11] <Mingching> obscene
[22:11] <Zeno> Roger_A, I dunno, I am waiting to see. I have not made a conclusion yet. thoughit is easy to pick Laden
[22:11] <Skullhunter> cripes, I still can't believe the reverse angle shot on the second plane hitting the south tower. Cut through it like an axe, no wonder it fell like it did.
[22:11] <ML> Veritas and that to you is "breaking all his campaign promises " ???????
[22:11] <float> cosmo.....and we're not investigating this in the strongest fashion possible?
[22:11] <MountainMonk> dusk
[22:11] <Obscene> Hello!!!!
[22:12] <Roger_A> Zeno, we agree there.
[22:12] <PlagueRat> float - yeah, well, not surprising that you choose a drunken tounge tied stumble bum underacheiver as your leader.
[22:12] <Obscene> Hi Brianna
[22:12] <Obscene> Hi Mingching
[22:12] <dmoore> Roger_A--I have to agree with you there. But one thing I heard once and then it seemed to be dropped was the Red Army Faction (Japanese)--doesn't need to be Arab.
[22:12] <cosmo> float, I'm sure we are. And if he shows some restraint and waits he'll be more respected.
[22:12] <Obscene> FLOATER!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:12] <float> PlagueRat...I know..you'd rather have a thousand day pothead ruling the roost who tried by 4 votes to steal the election
[22:12] <maggiejo> Writer9554 Bush,Gore<Clinton, aren't what it is about today , the country is torn apart and all some can do is try to tear it further apart..just saddens me that being united as a ppl for just one day seems so hard..
[22:12] <float> Hello Obscene!
[22:12] * PlagueRat still suspects the The Montana Freemen.
[22:12] <Zeno> Roger_A. Colombia is being ignored too. Ochoa was just extradited
[22:12] <Camille> float, what did Bush say tonight that made you feel that this couldn't happen again tomorrow?
[22:12] <GeeWhiz> Monk, has been years since I tried it. Itw as very realistic but I did not like having to do trim and all that stuff. I just want to do loops in corporate jets
[22:12] <float> cosmo.....we only wait till we know who did it...then we take them out...this is an act of war.
[22:13] <bohunky> WRiter: its not just that...that combined w/ seemingly sympathy for those who criticize Americans in general. Yes, we're fat & sassy but we're not arrogant
[22:13] <float> Camille....I"ll tell you..
[22:13] <Cal> I am ashamed of some people here. America is better than this. and Americans should be also
[22:13] <MountainMonk> GeeWhiz, lol. They have Lears
[22:13] <asa250> maggiejo....I will unite in a heartbeat behind liberty and justice....but I will never bow to a tryantg
[22:13] <Mingching> 8,5What a horrible day in our nation's lifetime
[22:13] <PlagueRat> float - actually, I always favored McCain... but don't let facts get in the way of your attempts to use this disaster to drum up false support for the smiking chimp
[22:13] <float> Camille.....we will make NO disctinction between the terrorists and the nations that harbor them
[22:13] <Cal> yes Mingching just horrible
[22:13] <Brianna> my gosh. he seems as though he wants to call his mommy
[22:13] <bohunky> Writer: Brits & French are arrogant :-)
[22:13] <MountainMonk> what a horrible color to express it with. :(
[22:13] <dmoore> Zeno--I wonder about Saddam. Not because he's sort of the universal suspect, but he had lots of trained pilots and a bit of a grudge.
[22:13] <Camille> float, we never did before?
[22:13] <Glenlivet> Cal ... do you accept our dictator as your President ... if you do .. then you have absolutely no complaint.
[22:13] <GeeWhiz> Monk, yeah, I ahve played with those. I know a lot of guys who practice there instrument landings on them
[22:14] <ML> PlagueRat by the way you rant on Bush ..it seems like Gore would have been the second coming ?? of Mondale maybe ..lol
[22:14] <Writer9554> maggiejo when and if we had a true leader then I could agree with you but since that is not reality, then it is a sad day when people are proud to call Bush a leader of the civilized world...
[22:14] <cosmo> Cal, you can accept this incompetent first fraud if you want to.
[22:14] <float> Camille this means we will go after the terrorists wherever they are regardless of which country they are in, regardless of permission to get them
[22:14] <MountainMonk> GeeWhiz, I'm great at taking off, landing is another matter. :)
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[22:14] <Brianna> right Writer9554!
[22:14] <Cal> Americans should unite and be supportive of America
[22:14] <float> This is war folks....it's not just another day at summer camp
[22:14] <Mingching> Cal, I should've stayed home.....i saw on the news before I left...i put in my 8 hrs. anyway
[22:14] <bohunky> dang! people!...Ben Laden is guiltier than Gary Condit & we've got thousands of bodies!
[22:14] <asa250> Cal....we would and will when we get it back
[22:14] <float> I don't believe it's sunk in yet for many of you
[22:14] <Obscene> 2The pentagon is at 80% efficeincy it has 4 sides left. 4/5 x 100% = 80%
[22:14] <cosmo> float, that is BS. What if they are hiding in England or Israel?
[22:14] <MountainMonk> float, would be nice to know who we are at war with?
[22:14] <maggiejo> asa250 this isn't about that this is about YOU and every other American still at war with each other when America itself has been attacked....
[22:14] <Pame> Yesterday is gone........tomorrow is.....iffy
[22:14] <GeeWhiz> Landings are not so bad. Do like in real life. Just pick a point on the runway and fly your plane to it
[22:14] <Brianna> he was selected by the sc not by the american people. my vote and yours did not count.
[22:14] <Zeno> dmoore. I suspect it may be someone no one has considered right now. The media is going for the easy target.
[22:14] <Camille> float, big deal..if they aren't identified, how can we go after them? If they are identified, why didn't we already go after them
[22:14] <dmoore> MountainMonk--that *would* be a serious complication--unless you wanted to fly only once.
[22:15] <float> MountainMonk...all terrorist groups now
[22:15] <float> all of them
[22:15] <PlagueRat> ML - once again you draw a false conclusion... you keep WANTING to paint me into your preconclusions... last tiem you called Clinton "the love of my life". Suddenly you decide that Gore is "the love of my life", RIGHT after I said that I favored McCain...
[22:15] <Mingching> Pame, that's scary
[22:15] <Writer9554> American are supportive of America but that does not mean we have to untite behind the select president
[22:15] <Glenlivet> Cal ... if Americans unite ... then our first order of business should be kicking the fraud sitting in the Oval Office out on his butt
[22:15] <MountainMonk> dmoore, lol, yes, landing is a big factor. Sorta important. :)
[22:15] <float> Camille...we will go after terrorist...the ones who did this..and all terrorists...this is the end of days for terrorism
[22:15] <Brianna> exactly, Glen
[22:15] <Writer9554> Glenlivet wtg
[22:15] <Pame> MingChing.....we don't know if they'll be more attacks today....and if there are, where?
[22:15] <cosmo> PlagueRat, you must be a heartbreaker to have so many Loves of your life. ;)
[22:15] <ML> PlagueRat when did i say Gore was ?
[22:15] <PlagueRat> Cal - i support AMERICA... I am saddened that America will have to get through this IN SPITE of the smirking chimp.
[22:15] <Locke> Writer9554: exactly. our duty is to our Fellow Americans, including shrub, but we don't have to agree with his crazy politics to pull together against a common enemy
[22:15] <Cal> True Americans will unite and support America and stop the pettiness
[22:15] <Zeno> Imagine there's no heaven
[22:15] <Zeno> It's easy if you try
[22:15] <Zeno> No hell below us
[22:15] <Writer9554> PlagueRat exactly
[22:15] <Obscene> 4 Nuke em till they glow and shoot them in the dark!
[22:15] <Roger_A> Cal, I've seen people blame Clinton, and every non conservative since Hoover, along with Bush, and every non Liberal since FDR. But let's not confuse doubt of Bush's abilities, with a lack of patriotism. For it is not so. I STRONGLY hope that Bush grows in this crisis. For it would be the best thing for the nation as a whole. But I am not confident he can.
[22:16] <Skullhunter> "Supportive of America" doesn't mean "keep quiet and don't speak your mind". I remind you all again, this isn't Soviet Russia. We're not supposed to be smashing people for not marching in lockstep with the rest of the nation. Just because someone doesn't call for bloody revenge doesn't make them any less than any other American.
[22:16] <ML> PlagueRat when did i say that Gore was that to you ?
[22:16] <bohunky> They don't have to nuke Laden....arrest him, transport him for fair trial & string his guts out lil' by lil' all the way back from Afganistan
[22:16] <Zeno> Above us only sky
[22:16] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[22:16] <Zeno> Living for today...
[22:16] <GeeWhiz> When working on my license, I had trouble landing with a clean windsheild because I got used to lining up my approach by keeping a bug splatter on the center of the runway across the threshold
[22:16] <PlagueRat> ML - okay, you used the term "second coming" instead of "love of your life".... same difference. :18: ML: PlagueRat by the way you rant on Bush ..it seems like Gore would have been the second coming ??
[22:16] <Veritas> ML, if he even broke one; he'll break them all
[22:16] <maggiejo> Writer9554 you aren't even standing together as a nation of ppl let alone standing behind Bush
[22:16] <Camille> float, do be so confident...all terrorists groups are using today's events as a case study to copy. No deterrant...just more terrorism
[22:16] <Zeno> Imagine there's no countries
[22:16] <Zeno> It isn't hard to do
[22:16] <Zeno> Nothing to kill or die for
[22:16] <Mingching> Pame, those terrorists' days are numbered, I hope.......they've killed too many on our turf
[22:16] <midwest> Good night to all , pray for those who died and the families they left behind...
[22:16] <MountainMonk> float, even the Polisario, the Shining path? All of them?
[22:16] <Zeno> 12And no religion too
[22:16] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[22:16] <Zeno> Living life in peace...
[22:16] <Brianna> gnite midwest
[22:16] <ML> same difference ? lol
[22:16] <Pame> MingChing we don't know.....
[22:16] <float> Camille that is why we will go after any terrorism group
[22:16] <float> MountainMonk....maybe so
[22:16] <Zeno> 12Imagine no possessions
[22:16] <Zeno> I wonder if you can
[22:16] <Zeno> No need for greed or hunger
[22:17] <maggiejo> midwest night
[22:17] <Cal> night midwest.
[22:17] <cosmo> float, including Americans?
[22:17] <Veritas> Klamath farmers plus other farmers in the US have had their water cut off. Bush does nothing
[22:17] <cosmo> float, skinheads?
[22:17] <Mingching> Pame, they can't hide forever
[22:17] <midwest> Nite....ALL
[22:17] <Writer9554> maggiejo excuse me but I do not as an American have to stand behind a select president and that is my right so get used to it
[22:17] <bohunky> Skullhunter: bloody revenge is the exaggeration...Is not revenge or justice warranted?
[22:17] <Zeno> 12A brotherhood of man
[22:17] <Zeno> Imagine all the people
[22:17] <Zeno> Sharing all the world.
[22:17] <Camille> float, with star wars missiles?
[22:17] <Mingching> nite midwest
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[22:17] <float> cosmo...any terrorists
[22:17] <Veritas> wildlife that farmers were taking care of are dead and dying. Bush does nothing.
[22:17] <Pame> I hope there were NO anthrax on board that plane, if so, my God NY will become a dying tomb.....
[22:17] <Brianna> you think alot of young men will line up to follow a guy who spent his time awol? i dont
[22:17] <Obscene> 2Zeno: have you taken part in any demonstrations supporting Bin Ladin?
[22:17] <Locke> we are a nation of individuals! that's where our famous ingenuity comes from! that's how we thought up the great strategies that have allowed us such dominance in warfare
[22:17] <cosmo> float, well I can get behind that.
[22:17] <dmoore> Roger_A--no matter what, he's the only President we got at the moment. I agree with you. We'll have plenty of time to argue over him some other time. Right now, I'm pulling for the people in power, and that includes him.
[22:17] <Mingching> Pame, no doubt, that was my fear
[22:17] <Zeno> 12You may say I'm a dreamer
[22:17] <Zeno> But I'm not the only one
[22:17] <Zeno> I hope someday you'll join us
[22:17] <Zeno> And the world will live as one
[22:17] <Glenlivet> float ... btw .. you remember my predicting gas would go to $3 ... well ... it's selling for $5 a gallon in Oklahoma tonight.
[22:18] <Locke> I tell you one thing -- no german would have thought to get native americans to talk in code for them
[22:18] <Zeno> Obscene. no why?
[22:18] <float> Locke...we are one nation.
[22:18] <PlagueRat> Pame - you got that right... although putting anthrax spores in a plane doomed to become a FIREball would be a poor vectoring strategy.
[22:18] <GeeWhiz> my understanding is most of those farmers can have water. They just are too cheap to dig a well and expect the gov't to provide it to them so they do not, lord forbid, spend some money to make money
[22:18] <float> Glenlivet..by sharks
[22:18] <Pame> MingChing the CDC here in Atlanta are on their way there in response....
[22:18] <Skullhunter> Veritas, I live near that area. The Klamath farmers were fools to grow crops that sensitive in the Klamath basin. It's part of Oregon's High Desert region. And even if the fed said the heck with the fish and wildlife, they still wouldn't have had enough water for the growing season. That's why they call it a 'drought'.
[22:18] <bohunky> Zeno: do u feel that gives comfort to others at a time like this?
[22:18] <Roger_A> dmoore, me too. For it would be the best thing for our nation. I hope he steps up, but I fear he can't. Let's hope I am pleasantly surprised.
[22:18] <Pame> Rat, true, but who knows.....
[22:18] <Obscene> Zeno: you are from the Seattle area.
[22:18] <MountainMonk> 12We are worried about the Golden Gate bridge here, and the Transamerica Pyramid, BofA building. You folks have local patrols going on?
[22:18] <Pame> Some COULD survive...
[22:18] <float> Glenlivet..that is not the marketplace, but opportunistic jerks
[22:18] <float> Glenlivet..much like liberals here tonight
[22:18] <Cal> Roger you will be
[22:18] <maggiejo> Writer9554 didn't say you had to but perhaps to stand with your fellow countrymen in an hour of need may be worthwhile.
[22:18] <cosmo> float, why are you calling us jerks?
[22:18] <Brianna> MountainMonk, theyve closed alot of roads into major cities here
[22:19] <Mingching> 4,1Has anyone heard from Samurai tonigh>?
[22:19] <Zeno> Bot I feel like it gioves comfort to people who are hurt
[22:19] <Cal> cosmo ????
[22:19] <Zeno> Obscene yes
[22:19] <PlagueRat> Pame - better strategy would be to spread them with tiny bombs (M-80 sized) from cars parked nearby...
[22:19] <Pame> MM, yes..... downtown Atlanta has a lot of federal buidlings, including a federal court house......
[22:19] <Skullhunter> bohunky, I have never said that we shouldn't do anything. I am saying that the last thing we need to start doing is swinging wildly like a punchdrunk prizefighter.
[22:19] <bohunky> Skullhunter: so they're fools eh...is that what Klamath is all about...fools wanting water?
[22:19] <maggiejo> Mingching no
[22:19] <Brianna> cosmo, thats all he knows how to do
[22:19] <Pame> Ming Ching, no why?
[22:19] <float> cosmo....because this is not another day...this is America's darkest day
[22:19] <Camille> dmoore, when it comes to the thousands and thousands of victims, this country needs to pull together. But if we are following along a failed path of defense then maybe this could be a constructive way to change that.
[22:19] <float> cosmo..it's not a day for partisanship
[22:19] <MountainMonk> float, stop it with the 'liberal' nonsense. Karma like that, you're likely to end up in a foxhole with one. :)
[22:19] <Locke> float: I understand that our views upset you, but do you accept that we have the right to be such awful jerks, even if it isn't polite?
[22:19] <Mingching> Samurai lives on the East coast
[22:19] <Writer9554> maggiejo I am standing with my fellow Americans and speaking out against your select president
[22:19] <Veritas> Skullhunter, they trusted that they could farm for the rest of their lives. THAT was the deal
[22:19] <MountainMonk> Brianna, where is that?
[22:19] <bohunky> Skullhunter: excellent suggestion...don't do that...so far ur the only one who has remotely suggested such
[22:19] <Glenlivet> float ... too bad you forget your vicious attacks on Clinton so quickly ... now you want to play nice ... forget it ... we are going to get Bush out of office as fast as the law allows
[22:19] <GeeWhiz> I do not think they would target the golden gate. not enough casualties. They would be more likely to take out lady liberty me thinks if those are the types of targets they were loking for
[22:19] <Pame> MingChing alot of do....I'm on the east coast....
[22:19] <float> Locke....you'll have to endure the consequences
[22:19] <Cal> It is a day to come together for America. Not a time to be little and petty
[22:20] <Skullhunter> bohunky, it's about fools growing crops in a desert region that don't belong in a desert region. What, did none of them ever hear the phrase "don't put all your eggs in one basket"?
[22:20] <dmoore> Roger--he's not alone in this. And I'm not talking about the people he brought in with him. There's also the permanent gov. (NSA) and I bet other governments are sniffing around.
[22:20] <float> Glenlivet..I never attacked Clinton for defending America..nor would I on America's blackest day
[22:20] <Zeno> Who is the enemy Obscene?
[22:20] <Obscene> Zeno: well isn't that where all the anarchists/Comunists are from these days?
[22:20] <Veritas> And Skullhunter, the Fed said the heck with the farmers, the American people, and the fish and wildlife, but said "let's save the sucker fish"
[22:20] <cosmo> float, we all agree something needs to be done. We've all been hurt. We just dont trust a usurper of the Presidency, a dry drunk, a liar and deserter as the one to do it.
[22:20] <asa250> Glenlivet...I say let's all unite behind liberty and justice...let Bush resign....get a real president.
[22:20] <PlagueRat> float - nonsense... you attacked Clinton for EXISTING. Give it a break.
[22:20] <float> This is not about Bush
[22:20] <ML> Glenlivet wake me up in 3 yrs ...meanwhile you can be angry in the meantime
[22:20] <Mingching> Pame, but Samurai is usually here, especially on an occasion like this
[22:20] <Zeno> Obscene where?
[22:20] <float> It's about war in America
[22:20] <float> PlagueRat....I already told you
[22:20] <Brianna> yes float did
[22:20] <PlagueRat> cosmo - you are assuming he's dried out... I'm not sure.
[22:20] <bohunky> Skullhunter: so the Klamath water issue is about foolish water requirements?
[22:21] <Mingching> Not that we've had similar occasions
[22:21] <float> cosmo....you forget the over a thousand times Gore got stoned.
[22:21] <maggiejo> Writer9554 then go ahead as you see fit and pray for those who died today who would be happy to just be alive regardless of who was President :-(
[22:21] <Pame> OMG look at this FOOTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:21] <Glenlivet> asa250 .. my thoughts exactly ... I'll support our troops .. but will never support the fraud the SC gave us.
[22:21] <Obscene> Zeno: Seattle
[22:21] <cosmo> float, did I say Gore was the right man for the job?
[22:21] <^imagi^> some sick puppies in here
[22:21] <Cal> maggiejo :))))\
[22:21] <Pame> This is INCREDIABLE!
[22:21] <Mingching> Pame, what channel?
[22:21] <float> Pame..what's new?
[22:21] <Zeno> Obscene. where are you from?
[22:21] <Pame> MingChing CNN.....
[22:21] <PlagueRat> GORE - who is gore? Why does float keep bringing up gore? He's about as important as Dole or Dukakis....
[22:21] <MountainMonk> Pame. yopu saw CNNs low angle shot I see?
[22:21] <bohunky> Skullhunter: they refuse them water becuz they are fools?
[22:21] <float> cosmo...did you?
[22:21] <asa250> Glenlivet....I just hope the politians allow our troops to defend us
[22:21] <GeeWhiz> If this happened down the street from you, would you really be chatting politics right now or would you be out helping? I think that is a good measure of what kind of country we are
[22:21] <Cal> imagi for sure. It really saddens me
[22:21] <cosmo> float, no I didn't.
[22:21] <boiler> Veritas,,there's 35 million acres in the soil bank,we're paying farmers not to farm
[22:21] <Brianna> just turned on art bell. he's taking c alls
[22:21] <Skullhunter> Veritas, they made a decision that made the most sense. There wasn't enough water for them anyway, it would have only prolonged the inevitable, not magically extended the growing season to allow them to get their crops grown, harvested and to market. It wouldn't have worked, no matter what the outside agitators that have descended on the area say.
[22:21] <Pame> MM, its of a doctor who was THERE at ground zero when the building collapsed.....
[22:21] <Camille> cosmo, I agree it's painful to attack one of our own on such a horrendous day...the fact is more than half of the country doubts Bush's leadership ability when such a crisis demands leadership qualities, so it's a legitimate question.
[22:22] <Mingching> Pame, isn't it terrible?, I saw this one earlier
[22:22] <Writer9554> maggiejo that is exactly why your select president should resign becasue he is responsible for his lack of knowlege...
[22:22] <maggiejo> FUBUKI !
[22:22] <Pame> The sound was incrediable.....he hide behind a car and it turned to night.....
[22:22] <Writer9554> and he should resign
[22:22] <Glenlivet> asa250 ... you can look for Bush to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution and Congress
[22:22] * Zeno thinks maybe PeTa did this?
[22:22] <float> Camille...not true....its is simply not true over half of America is questioning Bush today
[22:22] <PlagueRat> Camille - I was giving him the benefit of the doubt... but that speach he gave was TERRIBLE.... he was totally uninspiring.
[22:22] <FUBUKI> hi
[22:22] <cosmo> Camille, I would have felt better if he'd given a decent speech today. It was dry, cold and lacking in inspiration.
[22:22] <Zeno> hi FUBUKI
[22:22] <MountainMonk> looks like bloody Berlin, 1945. :(
[22:22] <Mingching> hi fubuki
[22:22] <Skullhunter> bohunky, they refused them water because it wouldn't have done them any good. It'd be like giving a bag of candy to a starving diabetic.
[22:22] <Veritas> no, Skullhunter, if you will check your grocery prices in a while, you will see.
[22:22] <bohunky> Skullhunter: of course fools don't need water nor deserve water. Water should be prevented from fools
[22:22] <dmoore> Glenlivet--nonsense.
[22:22] <Pame> There are people coughing and choking.....
[22:22] <Obscene> .
[22:22] <asa250> Glenlivet...or for Bush to declare Marshall Law and that Jeffords is a Repub again.
[22:22] <GeeWhiz> I do not trust any single person's leadership ability in a tragedy like that. It is the strength of democracy that we have many leaders who can come together when push comes to shove
[22:23] <Veritas> you will also see that we no longer get food from the farmers who used to provide it
[22:23] <Pame> This doesn't look real......it doesn't look real.....
[22:23] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... like the nonsense that Bush would steal the election?
[22:23] <Mingching> Pame, yes,....and i had the nerve to go to work when this was happening
[22:23] <ML> Camille Clinton today said to "support president bush , not second guess him" so follow your leader
[22:23] <bohunky> Skullhunter: why don't they lock these fools up before they hurt themselves?
[22:23] <Brianna> no Pame, it doesnt
[22:23] <dmoore> Pame--I thought that all day. It looked like a movie with bad special effects.
[22:23] <float> PlagueRat...you may not like his tone, or whatever you dislike..but his words have meaning, I trust we both will see the words backed with a pounding retalitation
[22:23] <Pame> Please tell me this a movie.....
[22:23] <asa250> ABC is again doing a great job
[22:23] <PlagueRat> ML - CLinton ain't president anymore...
[22:23] <Writer9554> Glenlivet then we can have the USSC back him again
[22:23] <ML> PlagueRat he is to some women .......
[22:23] <Cal> People need to try to rise above their partisanship and be an American First
[22:23] <Camille> PlagueRat, it doesn't take a great memory to remember how Clinton could bring this country together under an extreme crisis like OK City. Even though the magnitude is far different. But the glaring lack in leadership with Bush is a legitimate issue.
[22:23] <Mingching> Pame.......this is a shocking day
[22:24] <PlagueRat> float - who knows... but he didn't inspire me 1/10'th as much as Hastert....
[22:24] <dmoore> Glenlivet--the GOP would call for his impeachment over that. You think they want to lose power?
[22:24] <deacon^> Cal- and fast
[22:24] <Skullhunter> bohunky, how conveniently you latch on to one element of my post and ignore all the rest. Let me spell it out for you. There wasn't enough water to do them any good, even if they drained that area dry and gave the farmers every single drop.
[22:24] <float> I'll tell you one thing...you liberals better hope your leaders don't politicize this.....You're gonna lose big in 2002
[22:24] <Veritas> The FED refused the water because the ESA and EPA wanted to save a sucker fish. They further want these farmer's lands. It is happening all over the U.S.
[22:24] <Zeno> Cal. too bad GOPers support America but seem to hate Americans
[22:24] <Writer9554> Cal we are being Americans and saying we do not like Bush the same way the GOP feel they can speak against Clinton
[22:24] <GeeWhiz> I think ABC has a horrible staff. They have done such a bad job with stuff in the past, I wouldn't watch if it were the only network on the air
[22:24] <MountainMonk> Mingching, nice to meet you sir. Sorry I didn't say 'hi' earlier. :)
[22:24] <cosmo> Cal, we Are Americans first. That does not mean blind fielty to a usurper.
[22:24] <Brianna> Pame, thats what i thought it was when i turned on the set
[22:24] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... with a suspended Congress ... they have no power to impeach
[22:24] <Cal> Zeno try to rise above it
[22:24] <Mingching> floar, this is no time to get out your party's flag
[22:24] <Mingching> float
[22:24] <bohunky> Skullhunter: and the water is now being used for??????
[22:24] <Pame> Ming a friend of mine's husband worked on the 78th floor....he has not been heard from....and someone said earlier they were late going to work and he worked on the 78th floor and everyone up there was dead.....
[22:24] <float> Mingching...that's what I have been saying
[22:24] <Zeno> Cal. who do you think did this?
[22:24] <Cal> Pettiness will do us no good at this time
[22:24] <Obscene> 2One of Clintons first actions as president was to reduce the number of spies we had overseas.
[22:24] <badmojo> so far bush has been doing pretty good, except with a few of the larger words on the telepromter, but hey, he really didnt have that much time to practice.
[22:25] <Brianna> float, thats all youve done every day here is politisize
[22:25] <Mingching> MountainMonk, I'm a lady, and nice to meet you to Sir
[22:25] <asa250> mingching...float is showing us his "war face"
[22:25] <float> cosmo.....what vote count did Gore win...any breaking new tonight on new Gore recounts?
[22:25] <dmoore> Glenlivet--When I lived in DC, there were troops in the street which seemed pretty surreal at the time. If Nixon didn't declare martial law, Bush won't/
[22:25] <Veritas> bohunky, the ESA and EPA are saving it so they can have their hemp farms
[22:25] <ML> Obscene hmmm
[22:25] <Mingching> asa....lol
[22:25] <bohunky> Veritas: ha
[22:25] <float> Brianna...no, I have responded to liberals nutty attack on Bush
[22:25] <MountainMonk> Mingching, more so the pleasure than, all mine. :)
[22:25] <float> news
[22:25] <Skullhunter> bohunky, it's being used to maintain habitat for several species of fish, which in turn are barely enough to provide food for fish-eating birds like the bald eagle.
[22:25] <Brianna> see float? thats all youve done so stop critizining those of us who do
[22:25] <cosmo> float, the USSC decided the election. Something specifically forbidden by the founding fathers.
[22:25] <PlagueRat> Obscene - trying to score political points over this, eh? Well, you just wait until float rips you a new one... (*laugh* as if float would EVER criticize anybody who said anything bad about Clinton).
[22:25] <Glenlivet> dmoore .. Nixon was legally elected ... Bush has already proven he'll do anything to get power
[22:25] <Brianna> bs float
[22:25] <Mingching> float, my apologies
[22:25] <ML> hey Mingching !
[22:26] <Mingching> hi ML
[22:26] <Mingching> ?
[22:26] <Zeno> Glenlivet, I don't think Nixon was legally elected.
[22:26] <float> cosmo....who recounted all the dimples to say Bush's lead increased 300% to 1,65?
[22:26] <float> Mingching np :)
[22:26] <Camille> Like it or not, Bush is what he is. A son of a President who was installed into the Presidency. If he can rise above mediocracy in the most extreme test, then so be it. If he can't then the people have a right act out against him in some democratic way or another.
[22:26] <Mingching> :)
[22:26] * PlagueRat caanot believe float actually said this sort of crap on this day.... --> 1:30: float: cosmo.....what vote count did Gore win...
[22:26] <bohunky> Skullhunter: now who is the fool?....nevermind, U've made that clear
[22:26] <Brianna> lol
[22:26] <Obscene> PlaugeRat: its true. He wanted to maximize the peace dividend.
[22:26] <Writer9554> Zeno where do you think Bush got his ideas from...
[22:26] <dmoore> Glenlivet--I don't like Bush. Didn't vote for him (or his dad) and won't vote for him next time. But you're making him into a bigger deal than he is.
[22:26] <float> PlagueRat...right....the popular vote does not matter.
[22:26] <Skullhunter> Funny, the farmers had no problem with the fed when they were getting subsidies to grow crops in an area that such crops don't survive. Now the fed is evil since they're not handing out money anymore.
[22:27] <Zeno> Writer9554. I don;t think bush actually thinks
[22:27] <float> PlagueRat....the Constitution provides the electoral vote decides the President
[22:27] <MountainMonk> 4I'm as opposed to the Bush Pretension as the next guy. I feel this is not a good time to be arguing this though. We can get back to old grudges later. Let's concentrate on matters at hand.
[22:27] <Writer9554> heheh Zeno LOL
[22:27] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... legit question ... what makes you think you will vote again?
[22:27] <Brianna> float, you love a loser. he has always been a loser is a loser now and will be a loser come tomorrow
[22:27] <float> PlagueRat...what vote count in FL did Gore win.? What recount breaking news is there tonight?
[22:27] * PlagueRat pats float on the head... *I'm sorry, I keep mistaking you for an adult*
[22:27] <Cal> here here MountainMonk
[22:27] <float> Brianna..he's President.
[22:27] <GeeWhiz> I am pretty irritated with the anti-Bush stuff today, and I don't like him. I think I will just turn in so I can go give some of my soy based blood in the a.m. Goodnight All
[22:27] <Veritas> bohunky if you go to the Klamath site, you would see what REALLY is happening.
[22:27] <Brianna> not mine he isnt, float
[22:27] <bohunky> Skullhunter: 5 firemen were fools for wanting water that protected fish crapped in.
[22:27] <float> PlagueRat....haha....you'd have a broken wrist to pat me on the head
[22:27] <Zeno> MountainMonkok let;s clean up, get the survivors out and figure out who did this. THEN decide on an action.
[22:27] <Mingching> 12My question is, who is giving blood?
[22:27] <deacon^> i don't think the impact of what happened today has set in......
[22:27] <maggiejo> night GeeWhiz
[22:27] <bohunky> Veritas: yeah I know
[22:27] <Skullhunter> bohunky, yes I have. The fool would be the one that would destroy an entire habitat to provide a piddling ammount of water that would sustain their farms for a few months.
[22:28] *** Quits: GeeWhiz (QUIT: User exited )
[22:28] <Mingching> nite Gee
[22:28] <float> Brianna...what are you doing here then?
[22:28] <Brianna> Mingching, they enough blood for now i saw
[22:28] <Veritas> Skullhunter, yeah, and YOU were eating the farmers' food they grew
[22:28] <Camille> Bush has no deep bench of support. He better perform...no crap press releases. So far, just lackluster readings of press releases. Doesn't look good.
[22:28] <badmojo> im sure the klamath farmers are very objective on their website
[22:28] <float> Brianna...lots of Democrats threatened to leave America...why are they still here?
[22:28] <Cal> good night Geewhiz and God Bless
[22:28] <Brianna> float, what do you mean what am i doing here?
[22:28] <bohunky> Skullhunter: ever been thirsty...ever had a home?..ever had chicken?
[22:28] <Brianna> float, cus we need money to leave
[22:28] <MountainMonk> Zeno, right, we can argue the shrubs legitamcy any old day. We have Americans suffering right now. Best to concentrate on that.
[22:28] <Obscene> .
[22:28] <PlagueRat> lessee - THOUSANDS dead in NYC, and we are talking about Klamatch Farmer's water rights? Boy, nice to see we got our priorities straight here.
[22:28] <Mingching> Brianna, good to hear, but they haven't recovered everyone yet
[22:28] <float> Brianna. don't worry..we'll buy you a one way ticket out of America
[22:29] <Brianna> true, Mingching. they will need more in a day or two
[22:29] <Veritas> it all ties in, PlagueRat, whether you want to see it or not.
[22:29] <dmoore> Glenlivet--I expect to be alive, so I suppose you expect there won't be an election. Sheesh, how old are you? Just in my lifetime, which has been a less turbulent time than some in this country, the country has been in worse internal danger than this.
[22:29] <Brianna> float, im waiting......
[22:29] <Zeno> MountainMonk, if this is homegrown, we are in deep doodoo
[22:29] * PlagueRat buys float a one way asbestos ticket...
[22:29] <badmojo> veritas: perhaps you can connect the dots for us.
[22:29] <MountainMonk> Zeno, I think it's not, and I think we are still in deep.
[22:29] <bohunky> people who support animals over people' homes, families, right to happiness can go eat w/ the animals...
[22:29] <Skullhunter> bohunky, yeah. But if I had to, I can MOVE to where there's water, shelter, and maybe a chicken or two. I'd be smart enough not to expect it to be GIVEN to me. Funny, that sounds almost like welfare. People expecting the government to provide what they can't provide for themselves.
[22:29] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... but never in your life have you had so much corruption sitting in the Oval Office ...
[22:29] <Cal> Rise above pettiness and support America
[22:29] <asa250> dmoore...are you sure about the danger we face.....we could have a biological attack....
[22:29] <deacon^> much to be said about the press, concentrating on condit for months and ignoring real issues like terrorism, but thats for another time..
[22:30] <cosmo> Ooo badmojo, you just asked for badjuju.
[22:30] <Zeno> 12 News Flash ...Bush Admin announces the Attack on America was done by a lone person!
[22:30] <Mingching> deacon^!!!
[22:30] <dmoore> Glenlivet--I worked for someone more corrupt--Nixon.
[22:30] <deacon^> hi Mingching
[22:30] <Pame> Zeno WHO??????
[22:30] <Brianna> when we get a real president, one who we elect i will support him. not this fraud though
[22:30] <MountainMonk> Zeno, a quadrophenic?
[22:30] <asa250> zeno...a deranged postal worker?
[22:30] <Pame> 4Zeno WHO??????
[22:30] <PlagueRat> dmoore - Nixon at least won the election.
[22:30] <float> 4One day when you liberls realize the significance of what happened today you're going to regret acting with such shallow hatred towards the President who will take very strong action to end world terror.
[22:30] <cosmo> Cal, what don't you understand. We do support America.
[22:30] <Glenlivet> dmoore ... GW makes Nixon look like a choir boy
[22:30] <fleep> Pame ... it was an attempt at levity
[22:30] <Camille> Today, thousands of Americans were killed by fellow Americans on American air flights...not truck bombs or car bombs. The fall out of this event is unimaginable.
[22:30] <Cal> cosmo read the scripts
[22:31] <Locke> float: I fail to see how more aggression will end aggression forever.
[22:31] <Zeno> Sorry pame. bad joke :(
[22:31] <Pame> fleep ok....
[22:31] <Roger_A> 1,15 http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/ - 2,15http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/-
[22:31] * Obscene finishes loading one 30 round banna clip with bacon fat bullets.
[22:31] <Pame> Zeno that's ok......
[22:31] <PlagueRat> float - one day, when you realize how partisan you are and how silly your words are, you will hang your head in shame...
[22:31] <bohunky> Skullhunter govt provide water??????? I don't see that...govt owns the water?
[22:31] <float> Locke...self defense is liberating
[22:31] <cosmo> Cal, I have been reading the scripts. You want us to support Shrub. Well, when he does something worth supporting he'll get that support.
[22:31] <float> PlagueRat..I stand by my statement
[22:31] <Brianna> lol
[22:31] <Roger_A> PlagueRat, that assumes that one day, he becomes self aware.
[22:31] <Locke> float: there will always be those who hate.
[22:31] <Mingching> Thanks Rog
[22:31] <asa250> Cal...not only do we support america.....some of us fought for it....some have suffered lifetime disabilities.....we are patriots.....
[22:31] <Skullhunter> Cripes, if some idiot decides to try and grow rice in Utah, you expect the government to babysit them and give them handouts, but goodness forbid someone who's actually destitute because of bad circumstances instead of bad choices should get a leg up.
[22:31] <Roger_A> 1,15 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials investigating the series of attacks Tuesday in New York and Washington are setting their sights on Osama bin Laden, the millionaire Saudi fugitive who has been blamed for past terrorist attacks against American targets.
[22:31] <Cal> cosmo no just rise above the partanships and pettiness.
[22:31] <PlagueRat> float - good, cause I sure wouldn't want to stand downwind of your statements...
[22:31] <bohunky> makes me want to strangle my own cat......here kitty!
[22:31] <Brianna> yes asa250
[22:31] <Pame> Wait.....has ANYTHING been said WHO the HIJACKERS were?.....
[22:31] <MountainMonk> Camille, the copy cat potential is scary. Hamas is probably looking at this and saying 'to hell with the knapsacks, we'll crash planes into Tel Aviv".
[22:31] <bohunky> Did I say I was upset?
[22:32] <maggiejo> DragonFeather !!
[22:32] <Mingching> no Pame, not yet
[22:32] <Roger_A> 1,15 "There are good indications that persons linked to Osama bin Laden may be responsible for these attacks," an intelligence official told CNN.
[22:32] <M_Ca> 4 Today dubbed Black Wednesday in the International Markets
[22:32] <Zeno> Pame, not yet. though we will know from the wreckage
[22:32] <dmoore> PlagueRat--and not with any manipulation, right? I was deeply involved in the '72 election. The GOP did all it could to get the weakest Dem candidate, and it did. When I regained my ethics, I left town.
[22:32] <DragonFeather> hi maggiejo
[22:32] <Cal> Such a sad sad day.
[22:32] <Pame> We have no description of their nationality....
[22:32] <float> Locke.... 3Eternal Vigilance Is The Cost Of Freedom
[22:32] <Mingching> I agree Cal
[22:32] <Pame> Zeno, not necessarily.....
[22:32] <PlagueRat> dmoore - Nixon was the last republican I voted for president...
[22:32] <Camille> MM, exactly. The reprecussions of this is staggering!
[22:32] <Roger_A> 1,15 Intelligence sources said they based their assessment on new information they had gathered Tuesday afternoon, hours after airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. They did not rule out the possibility that other groups may have been involved.
[22:32] <badmojo> the nsc have a suspect, theyre just trying to fill in the missing links.
[22:32] <Zeno> Pame the PA crash will tell us
[22:32] <Skullhunter> What a wonderful double standard, no help for a mother with two kids and a deadbeat ex, but let's give all the help we can to some moron who tries to cultivate corn in Death Valley.
[22:33] <Cal> Mingching I would love to see more compassion and true heartfelt feeling
[22:33] <M_Ca> 4 We have an International Stock market crash on our hands folks!
[22:33] <PlagueRat> Skull- you got a point there.
[22:33] <Locke> float: how ironic that you would say that. constant vigilance in defense of free speach is exactly what I'm trying to accomplish
[22:33] <cosmo> Well, I guess we can call it the Quadragon now.
[22:33] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, umm, there isn't any water in Death Valley.
[22:33] <bohunky> NO! don't jump to conclusions....maybe its another Ben Laden...Yosama or Yomama or Pullmyfinger Ben Laden
[22:33] <Roger_A> 1,15 Terrorism experts, after reviewing the magnitude of the attacks, said few groups in the world would have the resources to carry out such a highly coordinated sequence of destruction. One of those organizations, they said, would be the Al Quaida group headed by bin Laden, who also is the suspected mastermind of the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.
[22:33] <asa250> Cal...I would too, but Bush is Bush
[22:33] <PlagueRat> Locke - you TOO have a good point.
[22:33] <dmoore> PlagueRat--I voted for him twice--and both times he lost the state where I voted, which was quite a trick in '72. (I voted in DC)
[22:33] <Mingching> Cal, again, I agree, this is a time to group together
[22:33] <deacon^> MountainMonk- we *could* also see copycats using other forms of agression from our own militias here in the states, far fetched perhaps, but a lot of nuts out there
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[22:34] <Roger_A> 1,15 U.S. officials said they had received no credible claim of responsibility in the aftermath of Tuesday's events, but said their "working assumption" laid responsibility for the attacks on "overseas terrorism."
[22:34] <float> Locke....it's not the issue of free speech...today the issue is pulling together in the face of war in our home
[22:34] <Cal> Mingching yes
[22:34] <Glenlivet> Cal ... may I suggest you wake up and realize how much damage Bush has already done to this nation simply by how many hate him so deeply ... and I suggest you take your new found information and realize how wrong and bad Bush is for this nation.
[22:34] <float> Zeno..excellent point.
[22:34] <MountainMonk> deacon^, Arabs coopting rednecks? Nope, can't see it.
[22:34] * Obscene finishes loading one 12 round .308 winchester clip with bacon fat coated bullets.
[22:34] <Writer9554> What the GOP cannot deal with is that not all Americans are marching with the same tune that they feel they can speak out against but others are denied the same rights when they speak against their choice for president... I did not see the GOP give the same consideration for those of us that supported Clinton....
[22:34] <cosmo> deacon^, none of our homegrown nuts have yet demonstrated the willingness for suicide.
[22:34] <float> Zeno...the Penn crash will give details on the perpetrators
[22:34] <Camille> some small good news...two rescue workers were pulled out alive...good for them!
[22:34] <Locke> float: I personally encouraged several young men today to go join the army. it isn't Bush's army, it is our army
[22:34] <Roger_A> 1,15 From http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/investigation.terrorism/
[22:34] <Cal> Glenlivet I hope you can rise above this pettiness
[22:34] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, you see my point. People try to grow crops unsuitable for an area, and they're not doing something stupid, but someone stuck in circumstances not of their own design is. I love conservative logic. It's so fun to dissect and lay its stinking guts open to public scrutiny.
[22:34] <fleep> bacon fat
[22:34] <bohunky> lies! all lies! We know the cellphones were down in Manhatten. this is VRW conspiracy to cover for the whacko fundamentalist white anarchist that did this
[22:34] <PlagueRat> Where is Sharpeye... he should be here claiming that there was no evidence that Airplanes ran into the WTC, and that the BATF had planted bombs in the buildings...
[22:35] <ML> no help for single moms with 2 kids and a deadbeat dad ? better check the county Da's and ask the former "deadbeat dads"
[22:35] <Mingching> fleep......love that bacon
[22:35] <Brianna> float, you never pull together not now not ever. i havent seen it
[22:35] <dmoore> float--how? There is no piece larger than a phonebook at the PA crash site.
[22:35] <cosmo> Locke, why would you encourage anyone to join the army? Don't you realize you could be sending them to their deaths?
[22:35] <Glenlivet> Cal ... I will oppose Bush every day his fraudlency sits on America's Oval Office ... that is my patriotic duty as an American.
[22:35] <badmojo> bohunky: haha good one.
[22:35] <Writer9554> wtg Glenlivet
[22:35] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, where did you get this story? EVERYONE knows you can't farm in Death Valley. closest place to there you can farm is Indio.
[22:35] <Brianna> right Glen
[22:35] <asa250> if this had happened on Clinton's watch, the pub senate would be holding impeachment hearings right now
[22:35] <cosmo> hear here Glenlivet
[22:35] <Zeno> float, here is what the authorities will decide" the attack was perpetraed by a very small group of fanatics, 20 or less, who all died in the attack.
[22:35] <PlagueRat> ML - did Newt get help? Did Dan Burton get help????
[22:35] <clay45> yep glenlevit i am with you comrade
[22:35] <Locke> cosmo: because I am too old and skinny to go, and if it comes to war then somebody has to. they were talking about ditching off to canada to avoid service
[22:35] <Cal> Glenlivet :( Some things are more serious than petty feelings
[22:35] <ML> PlagueRat ?
[22:35] <float> dmoore....the Penn crash as far as forensic evidence is our best chance other than a residence or other communication record in America
[22:36] <MountainMonk> Glenlivet, you are suddenly popular. :)
[22:36] <fleep> Mingching, cholesterol seems to be a trivial concern in light of the day
[22:36] <PlagueRat> ML - dead beat dads...
[22:36] <Pame> My son got notified today that he passed his physical and reference check and got his job.....he got the call to come to work on Monday, at 6 pm tonight.....the man asked if anyone had called him to notify him and then apologized....he will never forget the day he was hired.......
[22:36] <bohunky> Yes, we saw the WTC drop like dominoes indicating strategically placed timed explosions working perfectly just like Timothy McVeigh's redneck cousin set them
[22:36] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, I was trying to make a point through hyperbole. Klamath isn't Death Valley, but as far as the crops they're trying to grow there are concerned, it might as well be.
[22:36] <dmoore> float--again, how?
[22:36] <cosmo> Locke, then let them. There are plenty that want to join up of their own volition.
[22:36] <Obscene> Fleep: Bacon fat is considered unkosher and is strictly forbidden under islam.
[22:36] <Mingching> fleep, yes
[22:36] <float> Zeno...we will hopefully find who funded them...who trained them, who gave them shelter
[22:36] <ML> PlagueRat ..do they pay alimony or child support ?
[22:36] <asa250> great pame
[22:36] <Zeno> float. additionally they will say the group is connected to Laden but not directly and have no evidence yet of the direct orders, thus no big retaliation
[22:36] <Locke> cosmo: well, I only encouraged them, I didn't notify the authorities about their ungood thoughtcrime
[22:36] <Pame> asa, its a bitter sweet day....he will never forget this one....
[22:36] * Brianna bet next thing float will blame the liberals
[22:36] <Glenlivet> Cal ... there is hardly anything petty about seeing our Constitution overturned and a selected dictator installed into the Oval Office ... that is far more serious than anything that happened today.
[22:36] <fleep> Obscene oh, thought it was there to harden arteries in case the bullet didn't kill
[22:36] <cosmo> lol Locke
[22:36] <PlagueRat> ML - both Newt and Dan Burton failed to pay child support for a long time.
[22:37] <float> dmoore...I don't know...but that is the one crash site with contained evidence as opposed to the massive debris in New York or the Pentagon
[22:37] <Camille> Brianna, of course
[22:37] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, lol, Klamath was land given to WWII vets. We have to protect that. It's unusaul for the watershed to be that low, but they will survive.
[22:37] <Zeno> float, this way the Us is not threatened anymore
[22:37] <Veritas> badmojo, opening the borders to let illegals in and the ones already here to be "nationalized". Look at today, not only "illegals" from Mexico, but those from other countries as well who can slip by "security", get on planes and run them into buildings full of people in the bldgs and planes. hello
[22:37] <Cal> Glenlivet :(
[22:37] <Cal> Such a sad sad day
[22:37] <Mingching> .
[22:37] <clay45> glenlevit that impostor will certainly try to use today to get re elected
[22:37] <Obscene> .
[22:37] <PlagueRat> ..
[22:37] <Zeno> ...
[22:37] <bohunky> And Bush's phony speech focusing on international terrorists to cover for his drunk, cocaine snorting redneck cowboy buddies who did this to make him look good
[22:37] <PlagueRat> :
[22:37] <Locke> cosmo: they were not convinced by my arguments anyway
[22:37] <Veritas> then, martial law is called; disarmament begins, and Janet Reno was appointed by Clinton for "domestic Terrorism" Dept of Defense. hello
[22:37] <Roger_A> ::
[22:37] <Zeno> :.
[22:37] <cosmo> Locke, :)
[22:37] <Brianna> clay45, yes he will
[22:37] <Roger_A> :-)
[22:38] <Zeno> :..:
[22:38] <fleep> bin laden is worth $200 million?
[22:38] <ML> PlagueRat and should we go through the dems in congress ?
[22:38] <float> Zeno....President Bush said we shall make no distinction between the terrorists and the countries that gave them shelter...they will be held equally responsible.
[22:38] <bohunky> Zeno/Locke: How'm I doin? ;-)
[22:38] <Aero> bohunky one hell of a novel
[22:38] <Roger_A> ( ).( )
[22:38] <PlagueRat> -___---===---___
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[22:38] <cosmo> clay45, Shrubs career may very well hinge on his reactions to todays attack.
[22:38] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, I understand that. But the point that some seem to be missing is that the watershed is too low to have helped them, even if they drained the basin of every drop and gave it to the farmers. It'd be like giving a man stuck in the desert an ice cream cone, and then leaving him where he was. The end result is still the same.
[22:38] <Locke> ..."First they came for the liberals, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a LIberal..."
[22:38] <dmoore> float--I live just north of there. The local stations got there before the cops and took lots of pictures. The plane hit the ground so hard at such an angle, there are no recognizable parts. Maybe they'll find something in the little bits, but no bonanza.
[22:38] <Mingching> Our own people died today.........pubbies and libs
[22:38] <badmojo> veritas: ???? and how does that even apply to klamath?
[22:38] <Pame> ( @ )V( @ ).....oh quit watching will I get undressed.....
[22:38] <DragonFeather> They often refer to Ben Ladin's wealth. I wonder if there is a way they can get his money?
[22:38] <Camille> veritas, ah the trash all immigrants Buchanan style of politics...so Pat thinks he can capitalize on this tragedy by pitting Middle Easterners against God Fearing true blue Americans...please...
[22:38] <Zeno> float, Bush is just saying that. he said simliar things with the China issue and failed to back it up
[22:38] <Glenlivet> clay45 .. that was always the Right's plan .. get a war started in hopes the people would rally behind Bush ... but it is falling apart at the seams
[22:38] <asa250> float...bush read a speech....did he understand....will he followup?
[22:38] <fleep> Guess money doesn't buy happiness
[22:38] <Veritas> badmojo, because in order to control the people during martial law, there will be rationed food.
[22:38] <Cal> exactly Mingching Americans. Fellow Americans
[22:38] <MountainMonk> anyone want to make a few million dollars? I've asked this before today, and didn't get any volunteers. You guys have no sense of adventure. :)
[22:39] <aalfred> dan rather has been on TV about 17 hours now. I watched him most of the time
[22:39] <PlagueRat> -/\/\/\
[22:39] <float> dmoore...we need a break..to find any clue as to who caused this crash..then we can investigate backwards to their supporters.
[22:39] <ML> a few million ?
[22:39] <float> asa250 cheap troll
[22:39] <Pame> Rat nipples.....
[22:39] <Veritas> Camille, you misrepresent Buchanan badly
[22:39] <dmoore> cosmo--I definitely agree that this may well be Bush's "defining moment". Unless, God forbid, something worse happens.
[22:39] <badmojo> veritas: i have no idea what you are talking about. what martial law?
[22:39] * Obscene finds his other clip.
[22:39] <cosmo> they found a car in an airport parking garage containing flight training manuals writen in Arabic.
[22:39] <bohunky> Aero: I got more....Condit caper was the distraction while McVeigh & Chandra incognito applied the timing devices after the fake execution & disappearance
[22:39] <Zeno> ( | ) mooning Bush!
[22:39] <MountainMonk> ML, quite a few, downside is, you will probably die. Game?
[22:39] <DragonFeather> They often refer to Ben Ladin's wealth. I wonder if there is a way they can get his money?
[22:39] <Roger_A> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-16.html
[22:39] <Glenlivet> Cal ... never ever confuse Bush huggers with Americans ...
[22:39] <asa250> float...I never troll
[22:39] * Mingching wonders why the living fellow Americans are at odds when there is a killer out to get us all
[22:39] <DragonFeather> anyone?
[22:39] <Camille> veritas, I represent it exactly...you actually are glowing....how sick
[22:39] <float> cosmo..Titled 'DNC'
[22:39] <Skullhunter> Camille, yay, maybe we can put all the Middle Eastern citizens in camps like they did with the Japanese during WW2, they're obviously a danger to us all.
[22:39] <Writer9554> If Bush is so great how come the plane is still in China....
[22:39] <float> asa250 until tonight....?
[22:40] <PlagueRat> float - he really didn't read it as if he had good comprehension of it... of course, he probably had only seen it 15 minutes before, and was waiting for hte Cliff Notes version to come out.
[22:40] <cosmo> float, what happened to bipartisanship?
[22:40] <Zeno> .,.,.
[22:40] <Cal> Glenlivet :(
[22:40] <Veritas> badmojo, it means you cannot get on a plane to go anywhere. You are rationed food. you will have a curfew. and you will not be able to travel across borders without some problem
[22:40] <ML> MountainMonk it isn't a question to answer ?
[22:40] <badmojo> a car with arabic flight training manuals? That has bin laden all over it.
[22:40] <float> Camille...you actually do have a very fearful nature
[22:40] <Pame> the KNIVES were made up of plastic handles embedded with razor blades....
[22:40] <Camille> Skullhunter, yep the racists would love that
[22:40] <fleep> Mingching because some people would rather be right than alive
[22:40] <Veritas> no, Camille, you represent nothing of Buchanan
[22:40] <Roger_A> From "Run RMC".. Oh.. me so Bushy!! /~
[22:40] <asa250> Mingching.....because we want to be defended, not just lose our liberties and see our land raped
[22:40] <dmoore> float--I agree we need evidence. I'm just saying that I'm not sure that crash site is what you think it is. The crater was so comapct, they first thought it was a commuter plane.
[22:40] <MountainMonk> ML, I'd love to, if I had the funding.
[22:40] <Locke> Mingching: because at times like this, those in authority sometimes abuse their power in order to stifle all opposition to their policies, and we want to make sure that doesn't happen here.
[22:40] <float> cosmo...did I attack Clinton?
[22:40] <fleep> And that helicopter outside isn't making the night any calmer
[22:40] <Camille> Veritas, thank god
[22:40] <maggiejo> Mingching beats me..no wonder it was so easy for terrorists to do this ..a country so divided can't be protected against such acts.
[22:40] <PlagueRat> float - endlessly!
[22:40] <MountainMonk> ML, as you can tell, I'm no pacifist. :)
[22:41] <Skullhunter> Camille, indeed. After all, if they embrace their ethnic origins at all, or worship something besides the one true God, they can't be considered Americans.
[22:41] <bohunky> but all this will come out when Ben Laden is falsly accused & Perry Mason style takes stand in his own defense & tricks prosecutors into charging Americans for all crimes of the century
[22:41] <Locke> Not in America. Not again.
[22:41] <float> Plague there is no comparison to this and everything Clinton did
[22:41] <ML> MountainMonk :)
[22:41] <Cal> maggiejo hopefully some of the bitterness in here is localized.
[22:41] <Veritas> 2 weeks maybe till martial law. there will be more terrorism, because the terrorists aren't done with us yet.
[22:41] <Camille> Skullhunter, exactly!
[22:41] * Obscene finishes loading one 10 round 8mm Mauser clip with bacon fat coated bullets.
[22:41] <Zeno> Skullhunter, apparently the Islamic god is more powerful than the Christian one
[22:41] <float> This is an act of war...has'nt this sunk in yet?
[22:41] * Mingching wonders why the living fellow Americans bash each other at such a sallow time
[22:41] <float> 86% of Americans say this is an act of War
[22:41] <Locke> of course, we did imprison those japanese in WWII, and we did let Macarthyism happen, and we did let an election be stolen, but THIS time for sure we'll stick to the original founding principles
[22:41] <bohunky> Zeno: us said that before....why?
[22:41] <cosmo> What are you Veritas, the harbinger of doom?
[22:42] <dmoore> float--the problem is, we don't know who the enemy is.
[22:42] <Glenlivet> float ... your vicious attacks on Clinton is partly responsible for making Dems realize that we have to play by YOUR rules
[22:42] <Roger_A> maggiejo, I disagree. Tho we are divided on many issues in the US, I really doubt that ANY native born Americans were involved. Most Americans understand that political disagreements do not justify violence.
[22:42] <fleep> Mingching, misplaced and misguided rage
[22:42] <MountainMonk> ML, you'd think with all that cash offered up, someone would have at least tried to get to him. Even Arabs?
[22:42] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, if I didn't have kids, I'd be there with bells on one a target was identified. I found out a friend lost five people today, two cousins in the tower and three on one of the flights.
[22:42] <PlagueRat> war following a coup... bad time for the US
[22:42] <Zeno> Mingching, unlike Pearl harbor, we do not know who the perpetrator is, thus the misfirected anger
[22:42] <Cal> Mingching I am so sad by what I have witnessed
[22:42] <float> Glenlivet....I attacked Clinton for what he did wrong.
[22:42] <Skullhunter> one=once
[22:42] <ML> Zeno power defined as what to you ?
[22:42] <Mingching> fleep, yes
[22:42] <bohunky> Locke: 2 out of 3 aint bad
[22:42] <float> Glenlivet....let's see what Bush does right to protect America
[22:42] <asa250> Maggiejo.....Bush embraces the Christian Coalition.....inflames the fundamentalist arabs....invites a holy war....and you wonder why we don't rush to support him?
[22:42] <Glenlivet> float .. and that is what we are doing with Bush ...
[22:42] <aalfred> We're at war..but with who
[22:42] <Zeno> bohunky said what?
[22:42] <Camille> Locke, those are lofty principals but we have a compromised leader that has no leadership qualities while having to pretend we do.
[22:42] <PlagueRat> Poppy Bush probably had the CIA crash the planes to give Dubya way to rally the country behind him....
[22:42] <fleep> Give us confirmation on who precisely to go after, and almost all of us will drop the rhetoric
[22:42] <float> Glenlivet...Bush bombed no one
[22:42] <cosmo> float, the only thing Clinton did wrong was being promiscous. BFD
[22:42] <DragonFeather> They often refer to Ben Ladin's wealth. I wonder if there is a way they can get his money?
[22:42] * Obscene opens up his handgun case
[22:43] <bohunky> Zeno: Islamic god/ christian god
[22:43] <badmojo> mebbe veritas will let us live on his planet while the earth goes through martial law.
[22:43] <Zeno> Ml., I knew you would bite
[22:43] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, I have a daughter. That didn't stop folks in WW2. My dad was in 'Nam when I was 10. If yoiu die, it's not for nothing, in this case anyway?
[22:43] <Glenlivet> float ... it was reported today that the Bush administration knew about this three weeks ago
[22:43] <Zeno> bohunky. I am being satirical
[22:43] <Mingching> Ok, that's it!
[22:43] <float> PlagueRat...my god...you stoop lower and lower
[22:43] <float> cosmo....he never denied rape
[22:43] <cosmo> LOL
[22:43] [Mingching SOUND]
[22:43] <ML> MountainMonk what's the reward ? let's make it what ....$100,000,000 that's sounds inviting heh ?
[22:43] <maggiejo> Roger_A while everyone is too busy fighting over petty issues Americans are dead and dying..easy to get that cause no one is paying attention..too busy fighting with each other..just my opinion.
[22:43] <Zeno> Mingching :/
[22:43] <float> Glenlivet....for 8 years Bin Laden has made threats
[22:43] [Mingching SOUND]
[22:43] <ML> Zeno answer the question .......
[22:43] <badmojo> glen: where did you *ahem* read that.
[22:43] <PlagueRat> float - you ain't seen nothing yet... just watch the next line *grin*
[22:43] <float> Glenlivet..we had no warning this would happen
[22:43] <bohunky> Zeno: as in America christian/ plane pilots Islamic?
[22:44] <Skullhunter> MountainMonk, I couldn't conscience doing something I know would definitley without a doubt get me very dead on them.
[22:44] <Glenlivet> float .. and Bush just went on vacation and allowed it to happen ... he should resign immediately
[22:44] <float> PlagueRat...you're lucky you can hide on irc
[22:44] <Mingching> fleep, do you think i got my point across yet?
[22:44] <Camille> maggiejo, it's a venting process somewhat..but it's also a grief process
[22:44] <Zeno> bohunky. It's sarcasm. satire on the idea of a god even existing
[22:44] <DragonFeather> okay, I guess you people only talk to yourselves and not a newcomer with a sincere question, bye
[22:44] <MountainMonk> ML. last I heard, the Justice Dept had it at $40 million. Some in here have quoted larger numbers tonight, but that's the last official one I heard.
[22:44] <float> Glenlivet...cheap troll
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[22:44] <dmoore> maggiejo--makes you nostalgic for the Cold War doesn't it? Then we had this nice foreign enemy instead of turning on each other.
[22:44] <Zeno> ML. what question? repeat it
[22:44] <PlagueRat> DATELINE - NYC - In a startling revelation, it turns out that The Tequila Twins were taking flight lessons from JFK... and drunkenly ran into the WTC after mistaking them for vertical runways....
[22:44] <Glenlivet> float .. the fact do hurt, amigo
[22:44] <MountainMonk> Skullhunter, understood.
[22:44] <Obscene> 2 10 little , 9 little, 8 little Taliban..
[22:44] <ML> Zeno won't play that game .....
[22:44] <Mingching> lol
[22:44] <Roger_A> float .. was that a threat? Hmm..
[22:45] <bohunky> Zeno: I understand & love sarcasm...it needs reference. I thot I saw urs but was looking for the funny
[22:45] <Mingching> Obscene......lol
[22:45] <float> Roger_A....was it?
[22:45] <Obscene> 2 7 little , 6 little, 5 little Taliban..
[22:45] <Zeno> PlagueRat, they thought Chandra's driver's license was a pilot license?
[22:45] <Cal> PlagueRat Im not sure that is appropriate. This is very serious
[22:45] <Skullhunter> dmoore, we turned on each other then too, lest we forget about Joltin' Joe McCarthy and his merry little band of witchhunters.
[22:45] <ML> MountainMonk i like the sound of 100 million :)
[22:45] <asa250> a great people "has" been moved
[22:45] <float> Roger_A.....uh...are you paying attention to the treasonous posts in channel?
[22:45] <maggiejo> Camille venting has been done for months now, now is not the time for it when there are thousands of Americans dead and more dying as the venting goes on.
[22:45] <float> Cal..you're not sure?
[22:45] <bohunky> Plague: vertical runways are the most difficult to land
[22:45] <MountainMonk> ML, I could live with 40, of course I'd probably need half that many men.
[22:45] <Cal> I dont think we should joke about this. It is much to serious
[22:45] <Obscene> 2 4 little , 3 little, 2 little Taliban..
[22:45] <PlagueRat> Cal - it's totally inappropriate... but float just keeps egging it on... so, I thought I'd give him a heaping helping.
[22:45] <Cal> float I am devistated at this all
[22:45] <float> Cal...they can't help it...to them this is just another exciting news day
[22:45] <ML> lol
[22:45] <MountainMonk> Cal, are you nder the impression I'm joking?
[22:46] <willow> PlagueRat, that is funny, tequila twins
[22:46] <Pame> In a cellphone call, a father of 3 called his wife to say the terrorists were killing the passengers and they KNEW they were going to die, but the 3 remaining took down the plane that crashed in PA.....he told his wife....."honey, I love you".....
[22:46] <Mingching> 12Just because we don't have the attackee, doesn't mean we have to attack each other, unless we did it
[22:46] <Camille> maggiejo, this country was attacked in a profound way and we are reacting in crazy ways...there is no script. In time to come, it may even get worse...I suspect it will. This is just initial reactions.
[22:46] <dmoore> Hello? Yoo Hoo!! The bad guys were the ones in the planes. Not other chatters. Sheesh, if I was in combat, I wouldn't want most of you in my foxhole.
[22:46] <Writer9554> maggiejo and do tell us what your great appointed leader did tonight in hsi speech to say anthing about having an national day of morning instead of stating that tomorrow will be as business as usual, then you ask and wonder why people do not support Bush the way you would like all Americans to do,,, When America once again has a leader that leads then we will be untied once again but not until that day once again arrives...
[22:46] <float> Cal...to liberals they can just call in sick
[22:46] <Zeno> Cal. it's part of the grieving
[22:46] <float> willow....not funny
[22:46] <willow> float, it is sooooo funny
[22:46] <float> sad
[22:46] <Zeno> Writer9554 magg is from Australia
[22:46] <Roger_A> treason? Oh yeah.. I see. So, disagreement with the person in the office of the President is treason to you, Mr Float? Interesting. Verry Verrrrrrrrrrrry Interesting. Sounds.. no.. SMELLS.. fascistic to me..
[22:46] <MountainMonk> anyway, age does make cowards of us all...
[22:46] <asa250> dmoore...if you were in combat, you wouldn't find any pubs around
[22:46] <Cal> Zeno well it makes me so sad that I type thru tears
[22:46] <aalfred> Pame...I can't get used to the idea that people in that situation...or like Columbine, can just call out
[22:46] <PlagueRat> Roger - sounds a little "
[22:46] <ML> Writer9554 you are free to mourn ...
[22:46] <MountainMonk> and kids. :)
[22:46] <dmoore> asa--wanna bet?
[22:46] <PlagueRat> Roger - sounds a little "Stalinistic" to me....
[22:47] <Zeno> cal, everyone goes through the stages of grieving at different rates
[22:47] <bohunky> tv reporting intelligence is 99% sure Ben Laden is behind the attack
[22:47] <Pame> aalfred, we are a cell phone nation.....
[22:47] <asa250> dmoore...very few in vietnam...
[22:47] <Roger_A> PlagueRat, sounds inane to me.. from a man/child..
[22:47] <Zeno> dmoore I would bet
[22:47] <Stevetalk> rehi
[22:47] <bohunky> but we must hold out for the final 1%.....
[22:47] <deacon^> wb Stevetalk
[22:47] <Mingching> hi Stevetalk
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[22:47] <dmoore> asa--my family has a long history of manufacturing fine corn whiskey--at home, so to speak. ;)
[22:47] <Camille> Does anyone know how to react to such a profound disaster?
[22:47] <Brianna> hey Steven :)
[22:47] <Cal> MountainMonk I did not see your post so I was not referring to you
[22:47] <PlagueRat> bohunky - the same intelligence that identified Richard Jewell as the bomber, or missed th collapse of the Soviet Union????
[22:47] <bohunky> musn't be too hasty...
[22:47] <Zeno> LOL PlagueRat
[22:48] <MountainMonk> Cal, me and a fellow chatter were talking about going after Bin Laden. For real.
[22:48] <Stevetalk> Amazon's got a good set up. They've turned their home page into a site to accept Red Cross donations
[22:48] <bohunky> PlagueRat: yes, mustn't be too hasty
[22:48] <Stevetalk> Hey Brianna :*)
[22:48] <Brianna> Camille, we all do it in our own way. and maybe we dont even know what our own way is until something such as this happens
[22:48] <PlagueRat> Roger - it's that buildup of unused testosterone... poisons the brain.
[22:48] <Stevetalk> ty deacon^:)
[22:48] <Cal> Oh MountainMonk
[22:48] <Mingching> cool Steve
[22:48] <Roger_A> lol
[22:48] <badmojo> The same intelligence that fingered Wen Ho Lee for a chinese spy.
[22:48] <Stevetalk> hi Mingching!
[22:48] <bohunky> can't believe what u hear....making it up is much more credible
[22:48] <Skullhunter> PlagueRat, indeed.
[22:48] <Mingching> :)
[22:48] <dmoore> Zeno--doesn't matter--I don't drink. Gave it up when it was making me sick. Realized if it wasn't fun, it was pretty stupid.
[22:48] <bohunky> wait for the Warren Report
[22:48] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> plague, it was in their interest to present as frightening a picture of the russian military as possible
[22:48] <Writer9554> ML a true leader would have stated as much but since we have an appointed one what more can we expect....
[22:48] <willow> Faux news was reporting that American Red Cross did not need blood donations while at the same time CNN was reporting that they do....ok.
[22:48] <float> 4LET'S SEE....CLINTON LET THIS GUY OSAMA BIN LADEN GO FREE FOR EIGHT YEARS...HE BOMBED TWO EMBASSIES IN TWO COUNTRIES...KILLING HUNDREDS..HE BOMBED KOBI TOWERS IN SAUDI ARABIA, KILLING SCORES OF US SERVICE PERSONNEL...NOW OSAMA THANKS TO CLINTON LEAVING HIM ALONE HAS LIKELY KILLED SEVERAL THOUSAND TO POSSIBLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.
[22:48] <MountainMonk> not the first time I've thrown that idea out. All the patriots in the room just go limp. :)
[22:48] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> that way they could pick our pockets for the cold war for 50+ years
[22:48] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> 40+
[22:49] <Mingching> float, cut it out
[22:49] <Camille> brianna, agreed. It will take a long time to digest what happened today.
[22:49] <Brianna> bye float :) ur on ignore. dont need anymore of that
[22:49] <float> 4HE BOMBED TWO EMBASSIES IN TWO COUNTRIES...KILLING HUNDREDS..HE BOMBED KOBI TOWERS IN SAUDI ARABIA, KILLING SCORES OF US SERVICE PERSONNEL...NOW OSAMA THANKS TO CLINTON LEAVING HIM ALONE HAS LIKELY KILLED SEVERAL THOUSAND TO POSSIBLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.
[22:49] <Brianna> Camille, yes it will
[22:49] <badmojo> float: what if it was saddam hussein who was responsible. Are you going to be as critical of GHWB?
[22:49] <MountainMonk> yep, that's enough of that.
[22:49] * PlagueRat watches float take of his clothes and run around the room screaming at the top of his lungs... WOW, not enough attention, eh dude????
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[22:49] <Stevetalk> willow, I heard 60,000 units available but more would be needed for the next couple of weeks and then to replenish stocks
[22:49] <fleep> muchas gracias
[22:49] <maggiejo> Zeno I am also American :-)
[22:49] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> float, i'm not aware of any evidence that clinton 'let bin laden go'
[22:49] <dmoore> float--and Bush took care of him right away, right?
[22:49] <Pame> 4 FLOAT YOUR PRESIDENT SENT OSAMA MILLIONS IN JANUARY.....HE USED IT TO KILL AMERICANS!
[22:49] <Zeno> WTG Roger_A
[22:49] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> if you have some, i'd like to hear it.
[22:49] <Brianna> Pame, Billions!
[22:50] <Glenlivet> 4float ... let's play your game ... this is the same bin Lauden that was recruited, funded, and trained by Reagan
[22:50] <Stevetalk> oh float, float, float
[22:50] <Zeno> Glenlivet ayup
[22:50] <Stevetalk> Glenlivet, lol
[22:50] <bohunky> silly to believe Ben Laden who announced, trained, promised, to make extreme hit on heart of USA actually had the nerve to do it
[22:50] <Pame> bRIANNA YES....
[22:50] <asa250> Glenlivet...see many here you would want in combat with you....I don't
[22:50] <bohunky> Laden needed a few more Embassy practice runs I'm sure...fine tune it uno
[22:50] <Cal> Many Americans were killed today.
[22:50] <Skullhunter> Glenlivet, who's being harbored by the same Afghanistan that we sent $42 million to.
[22:50] <MountainMonk> brb
[22:51] <Locke> bohunky: international anarchists also made that threat
[22:51] <Mingching> Americans need each other now, more than ever
[22:51] <Stevetalk> Pame, Ben Ladin has 200 million of his own. How come no one goes after that?
[22:51] <PlagueRat> Steve - they might do so now...
[22:51] <Skullhunter> But go right ahead, focus on Clinton, let's just sweep under the rug the part about the men that made it possible for him to become what he is in the first place.
[22:51] <Locke> I imagine hardly a day goes by that someone doesn't declare their intention to bring down what they see as the Great Satan
[22:51] <Brianna> Mingching, if any of this was meant to make shrub ligetimate, it didnt work
[22:51] <bohunky> Skullhunter: why don't we collect our 42mil & clean some floors while we're at it
[22:51] <Stevetalk> PlagueRat, I hope so, I wonder if they ever tried
[22:51] <Stevetalk> ?
[22:51] <Glenlivet> 4float ... shall we play again ... this is the same bin Lauden that Bush gave 43 mil in January ... your tax dollars funded today's attack
[22:51] <Locke> it's pretty compelling, but it's not proof
[22:52] <Cal> yes Mingching
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[22:52] <asa250> right brianna
[22:52] <Mingching> Brianna, i doubt that, even he looked surprised
[22:52] <PlagueRat> Glen - float's been given a time out...
[22:52] <Pame> My mother has now lived thru 5 wars with only ONE being on our soil.....from WW1 when she was just 6 to this one.....
[22:52] <bohunky> Skullhunter: or are there some precious varmits in Afganistan we would disturb?
[22:52] <Brianna> Mingching, he always does
[22:52] <dmoore> Locke--it's not like these guys have a strict hierarchy, unless it was state-sponsored. Several groups responsible for things in the past are loosely connnected. It may take some time to sort it all out.
[22:52] <Skullhunter> bohunky, here's a better question. Why aren't we asking why we gave them $42 million in the first place? Why aren't we asking why we paid for and TRAINED this psycho in the first place?
[22:52] <Zeno> Glenlivet. let's look at the entire story. Reagan fundd the Mujahadeen, then they turned on Bush when he put bases in Saudi Arabia for the iraq battle
[22:52] <Mingching> Brianna, people died today
[22:52] <Havoc> Silly people.
[22:52] <Brianna> Pame, has she said anything about todays events?
[22:52] <bohunky> Skullhunter: don't u already know that answer?
[22:52] <Bubble> hi Stevetalk, how r u today?
[22:52] <Camille> Skullhunter, why aren
[22:52] <bohunky> Skullhunter: remember the wall
[22:53] <Brianna> Mingching, i am very aware of that.
[22:53] <Locke> dmoore: exactly. sure, go ahead and capture bin laden, if we can, but by all means don't stop investigating, because it may not have been him at all, and we HAVE to stop whoever it was
[22:53] <maggiejo> cherie wb
[22:53] <Brianna> hi cherie
[22:53] <PlagueRat> bohunky - *LAUGH* now that is a humorous scenario... we declare war on some country, and they take the DOD to court to stop the war because of the endangered species act!!!!!!!!!
[22:53] <Pame> Brianna, she said she is very scared.....she's watched some, but can't take much for long.....
[22:53] <Mingching> hi cherie
[22:53] <cherie> maggiejo...hi....
[22:53] <Stevetalk> Skullhunter, I may be off in my dates but weren't we hoping the Taliban wouldn't destroy those statues if we gave them bucks?
[22:53] <cherie> Brianna...hello
[22:53] <Cal> hi cherie
[22:53] <cherie> Ming...hi...how are you
[22:53] <maggiejo> Stevetalk wb
[22:53] <bohunky> Skullhunter: they called it the Cold War, but that was the same people who arrested Richard Jewell eh?
[22:53] <Bubble> hi cherie
[22:53] <Pame> My dogs have been jumpy all day.....
[22:53] <cherie> Cal...howdy...
[22:53] <Stevetalk> cherie :*)
[22:53] <Brianna> Pame, okay. i wondered what she thought. she has alot of experience
[22:53] <Stevetalk> maggiejo, thank you
[22:53] <Skullhunter> bohunky, the only thing in danger of being disturbed here are the illusions that Bin Laden just popped up out of nowhere, which is what conservatives would like us to believe, when in reality it's conservatives policies that CREATED him in the first place.
[22:53] <cherie> Bubble...hello
[22:53] <Camille> we should be questioning and questioning and questioning how highjackers could so easily kill so many.....why?
[22:53] <cherie> Stevetalkk :)
[22:53] <Stevetalk> :*)
[22:53] <Mingching> cherie, trying to comprehend today's events
[22:53] <Pame> Brianna, I don't think it has all sunk in yet for her.....I don't think for us......
[22:53] <Stevetalk> bbiab
[22:54] <Stevetalk> hey Bubble!!
[22:54] <Stevetalk> bbiab
[22:54] <Mingching> cherie, how 'bout you?
[22:54] <bohunky> Skullhunter: who believes that?
[22:54] <Zeno> Skullhunter frm the Mujahadeen to Kuwait, reagan and bush created Bin Laden
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[22:54] <cherie> Ming...i have been trying too...without success...
[22:54] <boiler> steve,,,it was for destroying the poppies,war on drugs
[22:54] <Cal> cherie a lot of hate here. It is so sad
[22:54] * PlagueRat waves... time to go... later.
[22:54] <Skullhunter> bohunky, yes, and the same people that thought Manuel Noriega and Saddam Hussein were trustworthy allies.
[22:54] <asa250> Pame...it hasn't sunk in on most here because they were not in danger
[22:54] <bohunky> Skullhunter: where are the good guys that do the dirty work?
[22:54] <Mingching> nite Rat
[22:54] <Brianna> gnite Rat
[22:54] <dmoore> Locke--and, on the assumption it was him, there are others around. We personalize these things--take care of just one person (be it Saddam or Bush or Bin Ladin or Clinton) and all will be well.
[22:54] <maggiejo> plage bye
[22:54] <cherie> Cal...i agree...i have been reevaluating my life certainly...this will do it
[22:54] <Locke> it just goes to show you, letting the government fund guerilla groups in other countries just isn't a good idea, especially if you do it behind people's backs and fund it with drug money
[22:54] <Roger_A> Nite Rat
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[22:54] <Brianna> Pame, yes thats true
[22:54] <Abolish_Death-and-Taxes> skull, i didn't think the invasion of panama was in any way justified
[22:54] <Pame> asa, for me it is real, I know someone who died there today....
[22:55] <Obscene> .
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[22:55] <Zeno> .....
[22:55] <bohunky> Skullhunter: its the best dictators & bad guys auditioning at the time.....geeez
[22:55] <cosmo> Pame, how do you know they are actually dead?
[22:55] <Locke> I envy those who can sleep
[22:55] <dmoore> Locke--you'd think we would have learned that in Iran.
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[22:55] <Pame> cosmo, there was a man on TV who survived and said he worked on the 78th floor, same as my friend
[22:55] <cherie> Ming...i have been watching the news..
[22:55] <Pame> 's husband.....
[22:55] <Camille> Pame, many in my class tonight were directly hit by today's event. I am grieving deeply for them.
[22:55] <Locke> dmoore: I hear the addiction to money and power is the hardest of all to break
[22:55] <Mingching> Obscene, please share the fat
[22:55] <Gearry> If you're going to dish it out, you'd better be able to take it.
[22:55] <cosmo> Pame, I'm sorry to hear that.
[22:55] <Pame> this man was late to work, and he said everyone in his office ont he 78th floor was dead.....
[22:55] <bohunky> Skullhunter: what good guy in Colombia are we setting up to save democracy for SAmer. & save the rain forest?
[22:55] <Mingching> cherie, same here
[22:56] <badmojo> pame: the north or south tower?
[22:56] <Pame> cos, so am I.....
[22:56] <dmoore> Locke--I don't know that from personal experience. :)
[22:56] <Skullhunter> bohunky, we don't have good guys that do the dirty work, we go the cheap and lazy route and get bad guys to do the dirty work, then whine and complain when they turn on us. You can't domesticate a rattlesnake. You either leave it where it is, or smash it when it tries to bite you. You don't try to teach it to do tricks for you, they only know one, and it involves their fangs and your flesh.
[22:56] <Pame> badmojo, #1 tower.....I'm not sure which one that is.....
[22:56] <Mingching> Ohhh Pame
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[22:56] <badmojo> the north tower was hit first.
[22:56] <cherie> Ming...it is beyond words...
[22:56] <bohunky> Skullhunter: no we take out the bad guy when he turns on us.....or else we wouldn't be the good guys
[22:56] <asa250> Pame...I had a friend who got off the Edmund Fitzgerald two weeks before it sunk.....he has never gotten over it.
[22:56] <Mingching> cherie, yes it is
[22:56] <Brianna> we didnt though, bohunky
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